Android Lollipop Hitting Real Samsung Devices
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
Android suffers the same problems as Windows Phone - carrier dependance to get updates.
Ding ding ding. This is the killer feature of iOS. It's amazing how much the carriers kill the non-iOS platforms. And before anyone tells me to root a phone, that sentiment proves my point. My phone isn't a toy, it is a critical communications device.
I enjoy my rooted phone. If you use proper backup tools there is really no danger to screwing anything up. I have many extra features that I could not live without because of rooting
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@IRJ said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
Android suffers the same problems as Windows Phone - carrier dependance to get updates.
Ding ding ding. This is the killer feature of iOS. It's amazing how much the carriers kill the non-iOS platforms. And before anyone tells me to root a phone, that sentiment proves my point. My phone isn't a toy, it is a critical communications device.
I enjoy my rooted phone. If you use proper backup tools there is really no danger to screwing anything up. I have many extra features that I could not live without because of rooting
At the same time you lose some of the protections not available anymore since you rooted.
I see both sides, and I have rooted in the past. -
@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
I wonder if going to an unlocked system, more inline with a European setup we could get there?
You can do this now, just takes more work.
I'm not sure those European devices get updates from the manufacture any better though, do you? Also, on the Windows Phone side, I've heard you can't get 4g, you're stuck with HSPA+, I heard this on Windows Weekly from Paul Thurrott.
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@IRJ said:
I enjoy my rooted phone. If you use proper backup tools there is really no danger to screwing anything up. I have many extra features that I could not live without because of rooting
Support. Support and reliability are the only features I need and that's what is given up when you root the phone.
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@Dashrender said:
I'm not sure those European devices get updates from the manufacture any better though, do you? Also, on the Windows Phone side, I've heard you can't get 4g, you're stuck with HSPA+, I heard this on Windows Weekly from Paul Thurrott.
Not sure. I would not buy another Windows Phone after the last few experiences. I've learned my lesson for thinking that they would improve. I gave them lots of chances and they just never got it figured out.
I don't know if any carrier or manufacturer does enough to make their phones act like the iOS devices. Maybe Nokia devices do, now.
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As I understand it Nokia can't make phones under their own name for several years. MS bought the phone division and manufacturing, but not the whole company.
MS is now making Nokia phones under the Microsoft name, Nokia should pretty much disappear in 2 years.
I can't argue that Windows Phone has had issues, but I didn't touch it from Window Mobile (pre Windows Phone 7) until last Dec. What kinds of problems were you seeing?
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@Dashrender said:
@IRJ said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
Android suffers the same problems as Windows Phone - carrier dependance to get updates.
Ding ding ding. This is the killer feature of iOS. It's amazing how much the carriers kill the non-iOS platforms. And before anyone tells me to root a phone, that sentiment proves my point. My phone isn't a toy, it is a critical communications device.
I enjoy my rooted phone. If you use proper backup tools there is really no danger to screwing anything up. I have many extra features that I could not live without because of rooting
At the same time you lose some of the protections not available anymore since you rooted.
I see both sides, and I have rooted in the past.You lose some features like Knox, but you can even lock your phone down more when you have root access. A rooted phone configured properly is much safer than using an out of the box feature like Knox
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@scottalanmiller said:
@IRJ said:
I enjoy my rooted phone. If you use proper backup tools there is really no danger to screwing anything up. I have many extra features that I could not live without because of rooting
Support. Support and reliability are the only features I need and that's what is given up when you root the phone.
You've been on iPhone so long I wonder if this is really an issue? Who are you seeing not giving you support when you've rooted your phone? Now, if you brick it, and don't have insurance - that is on you, but if you have insurance, I haven't heard of any cases where they won't swap your phone out.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@IRJ said:
I enjoy my rooted phone. If you use proper backup tools there is really no danger to screwing anything up. I have many extra features that I could not live without because of rooting
Support. Support and reliability are the only features I need and that's what is given up when you root the phone.
I am not sure what kind of support you lose? I have never had to contact the manufacturer about anything.
Gaining Root access does not take away from reliability. Installing custom roms definitely does that, but gain root access does not. You can actually make your phone more reliable since you can do better backups than you can do with a non rooted phone.
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@Dashrender said:
You've been on iPhone so long I wonder if this is really an issue?
Just over a year. Not all that long. But does anyone actually provide support for a rooted phone? Do you get them replaced when things don't work? Like if I have a battery issue I expect a new phone. If I root the phone, will that still happen?
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@Dashrender said:
Now, if you brick it, and don't have insurance - that is on you, but if you have insurance, I haven't heard of any cases where they won't swap your phone out.
Wow, I'm surprised that they let you do that for insurance. Of course, they can't prove that you've rooted it after it is bricked.
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@IRJ said:
I am not sure what kind of support you lose? I have never had to contact the manufacturer about anything.
Good point. I have had to contact them a lot but they were never able to fix Android phones anyway, so I guess that it didn't really matter. Although they did keep replacing them (with more Android phones that didn't work) which they would not have done had it been rooted.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
You've been on iPhone so long I wonder if this is really an issue?
Just over a year. Not all that long. But does anyone actually provide support for a rooted phone? Do you get them replaced when things don't work? Like if I have a battery issue I expect a new phone. If I root the phone, will that still happen?
I had insurance replace two rooted phones in the past. Of course both devices were non-functional when it was claimed. I guess I never thought about the battery issue thing, batteries are generally cheap enough where if I have a problem I just buy a replacement. To be fair I haven't had the need to root my most recent device (Galaxy Note 2) everything I need is generally included from stock.
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@coliver said:
I guess I never thought about the battery issue thing, batteries are generally cheap enough where if I have a problem I just buy a replacement. To be fair I haven't had the need to root my most recent device (Galaxy Note 2) everything I need is generally included from stock.
If you have phones that allow you to replace batteries and if it is the battery itself that is the problem. We had an Android for which it was not the battery but the firmware that killed the battery.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@coliver said:
I guess I never thought about the battery issue thing, batteries are generally cheap enough where if I have a problem I just buy a replacement. To be fair I haven't had the need to root my most recent device (Galaxy Note 2) everything I need is generally included from stock.
If you have phones that allow you to replace batteries and if it is the battery itself that is the problem. We had an Android for which it was not the battery but the firmware that killed the battery.
Interesting, never had that problem. Good to know. I was prolific with trying custom ROMs on my Droid X and Droid X2. So having bizarre battery issues was fairly common never heard about it from stock though.
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"Stock" is a fuzzy term when we are talking about vendor phones. They are heavily modified from Google's vanilla platform.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@coliver said:
I guess I never thought about the battery issue thing, batteries are generally cheap enough where if I have a problem I just buy a replacement. To be fair I haven't had the need to root my most recent device (Galaxy Note 2) everything I need is generally included from stock.
If you have phones that allow you to replace batteries and if it is the battery itself that is the problem. We had an Android for which it was not the battery but the firmware that killed the battery.
That is one of those situation where rooting and installing another firmware would have probably fixed the issue.
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@scottalanmiller said:
"Stock" is a fuzzy term when we are talking about vendor phones. They are heavily modified from Google's vanilla platform.
Exactly - Stock AT&T, or Stock Verizon...
@coliver said:
Interesting, never had that problem. Good to know. I was prolific with trying custom ROMs on my Droid X and Droid X2. So having bizarre battery issues was fairly common never heard about it from stock though.
Really? I had battery issues all the time with older non rooted Android phones.
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@Dashrender said:
@scottalanmiller said:
"Stock" is a fuzzy term when we are talking about vendor phones. They are heavily modified from Google's vanilla platform.
Exactly - Stock AT&T, or Stock Verizon...
Generally it wasn't the carriers putting their custom skin on (although they did sometimes) it was the OEM causing the issues. The original Touchwiz was basically garbage, although the recent versions were really good. Don't get me started on the Motorola UI, probably some of the worst designed interfaces ever. Made rooting and adding an ASOP ROM that much more enjoyable.
@coliver said:
Interesting, never had that problem. Good to know. I was prolific with trying custom ROMs on my Droid X and Droid X2. So having bizarre battery issues was fairly common never heard about it from stock though.
Really? I had battery issues all the time with older non rooted Android phones.
No I can honestly say I never really had battery issues on my older non-rooted phones. It wasn't until I rooted and put a custom ROM on them that my battery went all crazy. Generally when that happened clearing the dvalik cache solved some of the issues. Although that was a fairly regular thing.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
Android suffers the same problems as Windows Phone - carrier dependance to get updates.
Ding ding ding. This is the killer feature of iOS. It's amazing how much the carriers kill the non-iOS platforms. And before anyone tells me to root a phone, that sentiment proves my point. My phone isn't a toy, it is a critical communications device.
While WP does come with carrier bloatware, you can uninstall it like any other non-system app.
