Virtualization when there is only one VM?
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@JaredBusch said in Virtualization when there is only one VM?:
@Pete-S said in Virtualization when there is only one VM?:
I don't know. Many here seems to think every SMB is 5 employees but that's really a SOHO. SMB is up to 500 employees.
it was very specifically called out the example of doctor or dentist offices.
These are not SOHO in any way. They also don't have a server room. They have a server sitting on a desk.
Sure, the offices that are all par of some hospital conglomerate are not, but there are many, many more that are not part of that. There are 3 doctor offices within ~2 miles of my house in Schaumburg, IL. Not a small town, and not 3rd world.
There is an uncoutnable number of dental practices.
This particular line isn't the issue though. Because the SMB space can range from a handful or people up to a few hundred easily.
I don't see an issue with avoiding a form factor, for the alternatives (like a 1U).
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@JaredBusch said in Virtualization when there is only one VM?:
@DustinB3403 said in Virtualization when there is only one VM?:
I agree here, the SMB space is a lot larger than it is often described here (personnel wise).
It absolutely can be, but there are far less of those than the smaller places.
Agreed. But at what point does a business actually go from a SOHO to an SMB. I'm sure we've discussed this before, but the followup to that would then be, at what point does any business decide to change their form-factor?
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@Pete-S said in Virtualization when there is only one VM?:
@JaredBusch said in Virtualization when there is only one VM?:
@Pete-S said in Virtualization when there is only one VM?:
I don't know. Many here seems to think every SMB is 5 employees but that's really a SOHO. SMB is up to 500 employees.
it was very specifically called out the example of doctor or dentist offices.
These are not SOHO in any way. They also don't have a server room. They have a server sitting on a desk.
Sure, the offices that are all par of some hospital conglomerate are not, but there are many, many more that are not part of that. There are 3 doctor offices within ~2 miles of my house in Schaumburg, IL. Not a small town, and not 3rd world.
There is an uncoutnable number of dental practices.
SOHO is Small Office or Home Office. What you are describing sounds exactly like a small office.
I disagree with this assessment. SOHO is 1-10 employees.
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@JaredBusch said in Virtualization when there is only one VM?:
@Pete-S said in Virtualization when there is only one VM?:
@JaredBusch said in Virtualization when there is only one VM?:
@Pete-S said in Virtualization when there is only one VM?:
I don't know. Many here seems to think every SMB is 5 employees but that's really a SOHO. SMB is up to 500 employees.
it was very specifically called out the example of doctor or dentist offices.
These are not SOHO in any way. They also don't have a server room. They have a server sitting on a desk.
Sure, the offices that are all par of some hospital conglomerate are not, but there are many, many more that are not part of that. There are 3 doctor offices within ~2 miles of my house in Schaumburg, IL. Not a small town, and not 3rd world.
There is an uncoutnable number of dental practices.
SOHO is Small Office or Home Office. What you are describing sounds exactly like a small office.
I disagree with this assessment. SOHO is 1-10 employees.
Would you have a customer look at 1U servers if they had 11 employees? I can't imagine you would based on their employee count, but rather the practicality of changing form factors, right?
If a customer can fit a 1/4 rack in a closet would that be better than using a desktop form out on their workspace?
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@DustinB3403 said in Virtualization when there is only one VM?:
If a customer can fit a 1/4 rack in a closet would that be better than using a desktop form out on their workspace?
Hell no. That is just asking for shit to melt down. Power and heat are way better today, but still not something I would ever look at.
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@JaredBusch said in Virtualization when there is only one VM?:
@DustinB3403 said in Virtualization when there is only one VM?:
If a customer can fit a 1/4 rack in a closet would that be better than using a desktop form out on their workspace?
Hell no. That is just asking for shit to melt down. Power and heat are way better today, but still not something I would ever look at.
I was using a closet as a generic example. Literally any place "out of the way" and with conditions required for the space is what that should've been read as.
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It's super simple to take a closet for example and put a vent near the top of the wall to let heat escape.
Cooling etc could all be put into the space as well (but the practicality of it likely doesn't make sense).
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@Dashrender said in Virtualization when there is only one VM?:
I was talking about IRJ's response with making the client go to the cloud.
I understood why they likely had a local server.Cool. I missed that. And I do appreciate your comments earlier... all good points.
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@DustinB3403 said in Virtualization when there is only one VM?:
It's super simple to take a closet for example and put a vent near the top of the wall to let heat escape.
Not if you don't have that closet, the vent would let in hotter air, or you don't have outside access from a closet.
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@scottalanmiller said in Virtualization when there is only one VM?:
@DustinB3403 said in Virtualization when there is only one VM?:
It's super simple to take a closet for example and put a vent near the top of the wall to let heat escape.
Not if you don't have that closet, the vent would let in hotter air, or you don't have outside access from a closet.
Of course, if you physically don't have any space, then using this example doesn't make sense. The question really is "at what point should a business start looking at different form factors (from the desktop style)?"
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@DustinB3403 said in Virtualization when there is only one VM?:
@scottalanmiller said in Virtualization when there is only one VM?:
@DustinB3403 said in Virtualization when there is only one VM?:
It's super simple to take a closet for example and put a vent near the top of the wall to let heat escape.
Not if you don't have that closet, the vent would let in hotter air, or you don't have outside access from a closet.
Of course, if you physically don't have any space, then using this example doesn't make sense. The question really is "at what point should a business start looking at different form factors (from the desktop style)?"
It ridiculous to even think there is no space for a rack. Unless someone runs a company out of their bedroom. A rack takes what, 5 square feet?
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@Pete-S said in Virtualization when there is only one VM?:
@DustinB3403 said in Virtualization when there is only one VM?:
@scottalanmiller said in Virtualization when there is only one VM?:
@DustinB3403 said in Virtualization when there is only one VM?:
It's super simple to take a closet for example and put a vent near the top of the wall to let heat escape.
Not if you don't have that closet, the vent would let in hotter air, or you don't have outside access from a closet.
Of course, if you physically don't have any space, then using this example doesn't make sense. The question really is "at what point should a business start looking at different form factors (from the desktop style)?"
It ridiculous to even think there is no space for a rack. Unless someone runs a company out of their bedroom. A rack takes what, 5 square feet?
Ha. yeah I get it I totally do. And you can get a rack for pennies on the dollar if you are really looking.
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@Pete-S said in Virtualization when there is only one VM?:
@DustinB3403 said in Virtualization when there is only one VM?:
@scottalanmiller said in Virtualization when there is only one VM?:
@DustinB3403 said in Virtualization when there is only one VM?:
It's super simple to take a closet for example and put a vent near the top of the wall to let heat escape.
Not if you don't have that closet, the vent would let in hotter air, or you don't have outside access from a closet.
Of course, if you physically don't have any space, then using this example doesn't make sense. The question really is "at what point should a business start looking at different form factors (from the desktop style)?"
It ridiculous to even think there is no space for a rack. Unless someone runs a company out of their bedroom. A rack takes what, 5 square feet?
You need to work with the SMB more. It's rare that someone has rack space. Like, really rare.
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@DustinB3403 said in Virtualization when there is only one VM?:
@Pete-S said in Virtualization when there is only one VM?:
@DustinB3403 said in Virtualization when there is only one VM?:
@scottalanmiller said in Virtualization when there is only one VM?:
@DustinB3403 said in Virtualization when there is only one VM?:
It's super simple to take a closet for example and put a vent near the top of the wall to let heat escape.
Not if you don't have that closet, the vent would let in hotter air, or you don't have outside access from a closet.
Of course, if you physically don't have any space, then using this example doesn't make sense. The question really is "at what point should a business start looking at different form factors (from the desktop style)?"
It ridiculous to even think there is no space for a rack. Unless someone runs a company out of their bedroom. A rack takes what, 5 square feet?
Ha. yeah I get it I totally do. And you can get a rack for pennies on the dollar if you are really looking.
Cost of the rack isn't the issue. Space to put it that is safe, clean, has power, central to the cabling, can be cooled, etc.
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Working with things like vets, doctors, dentists, etc. you find that... almost no one could put a rack in a safe place. There just isn't room, physically.
I've worked with even a small school that was in the same boat. Literally no place to place a rack.
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@scottalanmiller said in Virtualization when there is only one VM?:
Literally no place to place a rack.
racks can be hung from a wall or ceiling if things are literally so desperate.
How are these places operating today if they have no where to place business infrastructure?
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@DustinB3403 said in Virtualization when there is only one VM?:
@scottalanmiller said in Virtualization when there is only one VM?:
Literally no place to place a rack.
racks can be hung from a wall or ceiling if things are literally so desperate.
How are these places operating today if they have no where to place business infrastructure?
By putting it on a desk
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@Dashrender said in Virtualization when there is only one VM?:
@DustinB3403 said in Virtualization when there is only one VM?:
@scottalanmiller said in Virtualization when there is only one VM?:
Literally no place to place a rack.
racks can be hung from a wall or ceiling if things are literally so desperate.
How are these places operating today if they have no where to place business infrastructure?
By putting it on a desk
Then clearly there is space! Remove the flipping desk and put a closed door rack in place of it.
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This concept of "we have zero space to make our business run" literally aren't considering their business as a business but a hobby.
You need to have a set amount of space, resources, seating to do work. Everyone does.
Using the "Oh I'll buy a server and just throw it on a desk" and then have someone use said server as their workstation clearly is not considering the reality that they are just a hobbyist.
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Even @scottalanmiller mentioned the reality of starting to use ARM systems to act as servers.
Things that produce and use nearly no resources or space, but offer tons of potential for extremely low budgets.
