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    • ObsolesceO
      Obsolesce @WrCombs
      last edited by Obsolesce

      @WrCombs said in Why Virtualize?:

      @DustinB3403 said in Why Virtualize?:

      The simple answer is because of consolidation, footprint, energy, cooling, cost savings, administration simplification.

      The long answer is paging @scottalanmiller.

      okay.. How does it work?

      What is virtualization?
      https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/virtualization/hyper-v-on-windows/about/

      Hyper-V Architecture
      https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/virtualization/hyper-v-on-windows/reference/hyper-v-architecture

      Azure Virtual Machines Overview
      https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/azure/virtual-machines/windows/overview

      Blog
      https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/Virtualization/bg-p/Virtualization

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      • IRJI
        IRJ @Dashrender
        last edited by

        @Dashrender said in Why Virtualize?:

        A VM is nothing more than a server running in a container instead of directly on the hardware it's running on.

        You have to be careful with the container term as a VM and a container are technically different, but using container is a good term to help get the point across.

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        • DashrenderD
          Dashrender @IRJ
          last edited by

          @IRJ said in Why Virtualize?:

          @Dashrender said in Why Virtualize?:

          A VM is nothing more than a server running in a container instead of directly on the hardware it's running on.

          You have to be careful with the container term as a VM and a container are technically different, but using container is a good term to help get the point across.

          yeah - I know... containers came on the scene.. now we have to be extra careful in how we explain things...

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          • WrCombsW
            WrCombs @Dashrender
            last edited by

            @Dashrender said in Why Virtualize?:

            @WrCombs said in Why Virtualize?:

            @DustinB3403 said in Why Virtualize?:

            @WrCombs said in Why Virtualize?:

            @DustinB3403 said in Why Virtualize?:

            The simple answer is because of consolidation, footprint, energy, cooling, cost savings, administration simplification.

            The long answer is paging @scottalanmiller.

            okay.. How does it work?

            How does virtualization work? Just like running a program on Windows 10, each VM is a separate program that runs on the hypervisor.

            and in a regular set up you'd use this to run servers? controllers? back ups? Images?

            Those are weird things to list together.

            A VM is nothing more than a server running in a container instead of directly on the hardware it's running on.

            i.e. You have a physical server - you install a hypervisor (the thing that allows you to have VMs running under it)... then you create VMs under the hypervisor. Each VM acts like it's own piece of physical hardware - in general, the Operating System running in the VM has no idea that it's not running on physical hardware (OK before someone blasts me, most OSes today do know they are running in a VM, but that's beside the point)... now treat each VM as if it was running on it's own hardware.

            well, that's why I was asking the question the way I did.

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            • DashrenderD
              Dashrender @WrCombs
              last edited by

              @WrCombs said in Why Virtualize?:

              @Dashrender said in Why Virtualize?:

              @WrCombs said in Why Virtualize?:

              @DustinB3403 said in Why Virtualize?:

              @WrCombs said in Why Virtualize?:

              @DustinB3403 said in Why Virtualize?:

              The simple answer is because of consolidation, footprint, energy, cooling, cost savings, administration simplification.

              The long answer is paging @scottalanmiller.

              okay.. How does it work?

              How does virtualization work? Just like running a program on Windows 10, each VM is a separate program that runs on the hypervisor.

              and in a regular set up you'd use this to run servers? controllers? back ups? Images?

              Those are weird things to list together.

              A VM is nothing more than a server running in a container instead of directly on the hardware it's running on.

              i.e. You have a physical server - you install a hypervisor (the thing that allows you to have VMs running under it)... then you create VMs under the hypervisor. Each VM acts like it's own piece of physical hardware - in general, the Operating System running in the VM has no idea that it's not running on physical hardware (OK before someone blasts me, most OSes today do know they are running in a VM, but that's beside the point)... now treat each VM as if it was running on it's own hardware.

              well, that's why I was asking the question the way I did.

              uh - why exactly was that?

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              • WrCombsW
                WrCombs @Dashrender
                last edited by

                @Dashrender said in Why Virtualize?:

                @WrCombs said in Why Virtualize?:

                @Dashrender said in Why Virtualize?:

                @WrCombs said in Why Virtualize?:

                @DustinB3403 said in Why Virtualize?:

                @WrCombs said in Why Virtualize?:

                @DustinB3403 said in Why Virtualize?:

                The simple answer is because of consolidation, footprint, energy, cooling, cost savings, administration simplification.

                The long answer is paging @scottalanmiller.

                okay.. How does it work?

                How does virtualization work? Just like running a program on Windows 10, each VM is a separate program that runs on the hypervisor.

                and in a regular set up you'd use this to run servers? controllers? back ups? Images?

                Those are weird things to list together.

                A VM is nothing more than a server running in a container instead of directly on the hardware it's running on.

                i.e. You have a physical server - you install a hypervisor (the thing that allows you to have VMs running under it)... then you create VMs under the hypervisor. Each VM acts like it's own piece of physical hardware - in general, the Operating System running in the VM has no idea that it's not running on physical hardware (OK before someone blasts me, most OSes today do know they are running in a VM, but that's beside the point)... now treat each VM as if it was running on it's own hardware.

                well, that's why I was asking the question the way I did.

                uh - why exactly was that?

                Cause I dont know any better obviously.

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                • ObsolesceO
                  Obsolesce
                  last edited by Obsolesce

                  Also, watch the 2nd and 3rd videos in the introduction here (free). They explain it for the most part:

                  https://www.udemy.com/course/virtualization-intro/

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                  • DashrenderD
                    Dashrender @WrCombs
                    last edited by

                    @WrCombs said in Why Virtualize?:

                    @Dashrender said in Why Virtualize?:

                    @WrCombs said in Why Virtualize?:

                    @Dashrender said in Why Virtualize?:

                    @WrCombs said in Why Virtualize?:

                    @DustinB3403 said in Why Virtualize?:

                    @WrCombs said in Why Virtualize?:

                    @DustinB3403 said in Why Virtualize?:

                    The simple answer is because of consolidation, footprint, energy, cooling, cost savings, administration simplification.

                    The long answer is paging @scottalanmiller.

                    okay.. How does it work?

                    How does virtualization work? Just like running a program on Windows 10, each VM is a separate program that runs on the hypervisor.

                    and in a regular set up you'd use this to run servers? controllers? back ups? Images?

                    Those are weird things to list together.

                    A VM is nothing more than a server running in a container instead of directly on the hardware it's running on.

                    i.e. You have a physical server - you install a hypervisor (the thing that allows you to have VMs running under it)... then you create VMs under the hypervisor. Each VM acts like it's own piece of physical hardware - in general, the Operating System running in the VM has no idea that it's not running on physical hardware (OK before someone blasts me, most OSes today do know they are running in a VM, but that's beside the point)... now treat each VM as if it was running on it's own hardware.

                    well, that's why I was asking the question the way I did.

                    uh - why exactly was that?

                    Cause I dont know any better obviously.

                    Awww.. well - good amount of answers here so far - just be prepared for Scott's answer when he gets around to ya 🙂

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                    • ObsolesceO
                      Obsolesce
                      last edited by

                      There's probably a ton of YouTube vids as well.

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                      • WrCombsW
                        WrCombs @Dashrender
                        last edited by

                        @Dashrender said in Why Virtualize?:

                        @WrCombs said in Why Virtualize?:

                        @Dashrender said in Why Virtualize?:

                        @WrCombs said in Why Virtualize?:

                        @Dashrender said in Why Virtualize?:

                        @WrCombs said in Why Virtualize?:

                        @DustinB3403 said in Why Virtualize?:

                        @WrCombs said in Why Virtualize?:

                        @DustinB3403 said in Why Virtualize?:

                        The simple answer is because of consolidation, footprint, energy, cooling, cost savings, administration simplification.

                        The long answer is paging @scottalanmiller.

                        okay.. How does it work?

                        How does virtualization work? Just like running a program on Windows 10, each VM is a separate program that runs on the hypervisor.

                        and in a regular set up you'd use this to run servers? controllers? back ups? Images?

                        Those are weird things to list together.

                        A VM is nothing more than a server running in a container instead of directly on the hardware it's running on.

                        i.e. You have a physical server - you install a hypervisor (the thing that allows you to have VMs running under it)... then you create VMs under the hypervisor. Each VM acts like it's own piece of physical hardware - in general, the Operating System running in the VM has no idea that it's not running on physical hardware (OK before someone blasts me, most OSes today do know they are running in a VM, but that's beside the point)... now treat each VM as if it was running on it's own hardware.

                        well, that's why I was asking the question the way I did.

                        uh - why exactly was that?

                        Cause I dont know any better obviously.

                        Awww.. well - good amount of answers here so far - just be prepared for Scott's answer when he gets around to ya 🙂

                        Yeah.. and the Conversations that stem from it

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                        • IRJI
                          IRJ @WrCombs
                          last edited by

                          @WrCombs said in Why Virtualize?:

                          @Dashrender said in Why Virtualize?:

                          @WrCombs said in Why Virtualize?:

                          @Dashrender said in Why Virtualize?:

                          @WrCombs said in Why Virtualize?:

                          @Dashrender said in Why Virtualize?:

                          @WrCombs said in Why Virtualize?:

                          @DustinB3403 said in Why Virtualize?:

                          @WrCombs said in Why Virtualize?:

                          @DustinB3403 said in Why Virtualize?:

                          The simple answer is because of consolidation, footprint, energy, cooling, cost savings, administration simplification.

                          The long answer is paging @scottalanmiller.

                          okay.. How does it work?

                          How does virtualization work? Just like running a program on Windows 10, each VM is a separate program that runs on the hypervisor.

                          and in a regular set up you'd use this to run servers? controllers? back ups? Images?

                          Those are weird things to list together.

                          A VM is nothing more than a server running in a container instead of directly on the hardware it's running on.

                          i.e. You have a physical server - you install a hypervisor (the thing that allows you to have VMs running under it)... then you create VMs under the hypervisor. Each VM acts like it's own piece of physical hardware - in general, the Operating System running in the VM has no idea that it's not running on physical hardware (OK before someone blasts me, most OSes today do know they are running in a VM, but that's beside the point)... now treat each VM as if it was running on it's own hardware.

                          well, that's why I was asking the question the way I did.

                          uh - why exactly was that?

                          Cause I dont know any better obviously.

                          Awww.. well - good amount of answers here so far - just be prepared for Scott's answer when he gets around to ya 🙂

                          Yeah.. and the Conversations that stem from it

                          Go to the Youtube vids or Udemy course if you want focused material on it. Then the sidebar conversations will make more sense.

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                          • RojoLocoR
                            RojoLoco
                            last edited by

                            The simple answer to "why virtualize" is that if you don't, everyone here will make fun of you (ask me how I know).

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                            • IRJI
                              IRJ @RojoLoco
                              last edited by

                              @RojoLoco said in Why Virtualize?:

                              The simple answer to "why virtualize" is that if you don't, everyone here will make fun of you (ask me how I know).

                              It is difficult to have a valid reason to run a physical server anymore.

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                              • ObsolesceO
                                Obsolesce @IRJ
                                last edited by

                                @IRJ said in Why Virtualize?:

                                @RojoLoco said in Why Virtualize?:

                                The simple answer to "why virtualize" is that if you don't, everyone here will make fun of you (ask me how I know).

                                It is difficult to have a valid reason to run a physical server anymore.

                                There's always a snowflake reason, but you should always virtualize unless you have super specific reasons not to.

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                                • RojoLocoR
                                  RojoLoco @Obsolesce
                                  last edited by

                                  @Obsolesce said in Why Virtualize?:

                                  @IRJ said in Why Virtualize?:

                                  @RojoLoco said in Why Virtualize?:

                                  The simple answer to "why virtualize" is that if you don't, everyone here will make fun of you (ask me how I know).

                                  It is difficult to have a valid reason to run a physical server anymore.

                                  There's always a snowflake reason, but you should always virtualize unless you have super specific reasons not to.

                                  When I first got my current job, those reasons were mostly "the boss says 1:1 physical systems". I later found out that like 10+ years ago they got SCREWED by a poorly implemented VM Ware setup for production systems. Cost them some customers and a bunch of money, so it kinda made sense. I've been working really hard to break them out of their late 90s mindset.

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                                  • ObsolesceO
                                    Obsolesce @RojoLoco
                                    last edited by

                                    @RojoLoco said in Why Virtualize?:

                                    @Obsolesce said in Why Virtualize?:

                                    @IRJ said in Why Virtualize?:

                                    @RojoLoco said in Why Virtualize?:

                                    The simple answer to "why virtualize" is that if you don't, everyone here will make fun of you (ask me how I know).

                                    It is difficult to have a valid reason to run a physical server anymore.

                                    There's always a snowflake reason, but you should always virtualize unless you have super specific reasons not to.

                                    When I first got my current job, those reasons were mostly "the boss says 1:1 physical systems". I later found out that like 10+ years ago they got SCREWED by a poorly implemented VM Ware setup for production systems. Cost them some customers and a bunch of money, so it kinda made sense. I've been working really hard to break them out of their late 90s mindset.

                                    Yeah, that's not your fault and totally out of your hands. It's extremely hard to change the mind of older generations no matter how right you are and no matter how grossly wrong they are. There's usually a lot of emotion in their reasoning as well.

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                                    • RojoLocoR
                                      RojoLoco @Obsolesce
                                      last edited by

                                      @Obsolesce exactly, plus the IT guy before me sucked, so I had a while before they really listened to my advice. We are about to roll out a physical SQL server, but I'm trying to get them to put hyper-v 1st and then just the 1 VM with all available resources to test the performance.

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                                      • DashrenderD
                                        Dashrender @RojoLoco
                                        last edited by

                                        @RojoLoco said in Why Virtualize?:

                                        @Obsolesce said in Why Virtualize?:

                                        @IRJ said in Why Virtualize?:

                                        @RojoLoco said in Why Virtualize?:

                                        The simple answer to "why virtualize" is that if you don't, everyone here will make fun of you (ask me how I know).

                                        It is difficult to have a valid reason to run a physical server anymore.

                                        There's always a snowflake reason, but you should always virtualize unless you have super specific reasons not to.

                                        When I first got my current job, those reasons were mostly "the boss says 1:1 physical systems". I later found out that like 10+ years ago they got SCREWED by a poorly implemented VM Ware setup for production systems. Cost them some customers and a bunch of money, so it kinda made sense. I've been working really hard to break them out of their late 90s mindset.

                                        Yeah - that fear is a real thing, definitely hard to get past. Sadly, frequently it takes those people leaving a company before things actually change.

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                                        • IRJI
                                          IRJ @RojoLoco
                                          last edited by

                                          @RojoLoco said in Why Virtualize?:

                                          @Obsolesce exactly, plus the IT guy before me sucked, so I had a while before they really listened to my advice. We are about to roll out a physical SQL server, but I'm trying to get them to put hyper-v 1st and then just the 1 VM with all available resources to test the performance.

                                          I dont know how you can work with these people lol

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                                          • RojoLocoR
                                            RojoLoco @IRJ
                                            last edited by

                                            @IRJ said in Why Virtualize?:

                                            @RojoLoco said in Why Virtualize?:

                                            @Obsolesce exactly, plus the IT guy before me sucked, so I had a while before they really listened to my advice. We are about to roll out a physical SQL server, but I'm trying to get them to put hyper-v 1st and then just the 1 VM with all available resources to test the performance.

                                            I dont know how you can work with these people lol

                                            Easy job, good pay, flexible hours, and the bosses are super laid back. The perfect combo to support my music habit (which is the actual important thing in my life, not IT. That just brings the paycheck).

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