Anyone figured out how to ZeroTier with AD?
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LOL I see why more schools say "F" windows and go straight to Chrome OS.
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@krisleslie said in Anyone figured out how to ZeroTier with AD?:
@IRJ Azure AD shouldn't even be in the conversation lol. Thanks though. Azure AD doesn't work like "AD" entirely. We are a Windows office but we are also vested in Linux and Google Chrome OS. I'm leaning very hard to Chrome OS in the future as most of our needs and staff are about 90-95% fully functional with Chrome OS. At some point the only "Windows" devices will be held by IT and where absolutely necessary.
If managing with AD yes , but you mentioned authentication in OP so a workable solution. But yeah azure AD isn't a fit with what you want to do.
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@krisleslie said in Anyone figured out how to ZeroTier with AD?:
So you're suggesting to throw ZeroTier out of the equation (since we're dealing with AD) and then setup L2TP on each router (Site A and Site C) and each client (only a handful of clients for staff but for students maybe a bit of a headache).
Students? you're a school? yeah - no clue there... I've never had to deal with that kind of pain!
I would definitely move everything to a hosted LANLess setup for anything they access.
Do you provide devices to Students as well? Definitely want some kind of mobile device manager for those puppies, I would guess. Dealing with them like you deal with typical corporate users would be challenging, I'm guessing.
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Honestly, it's really for authentication. I'm not even sure I want to add a print server to them. At best right now they will have 3-4 printers. They won't ever need a file server. Most work is done via SaaS services. Honestly if we didn't have some jacked up forms built to only work in MS Office, then I'd say the hell with Windows for those users. It's really not even needed.
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We are a multi hat non-profit. We just so happen to be a post-secondary school too.
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@krisleslie said in Anyone figured out how to ZeroTier with AD?:
Honestly, it's really for authentication. I'm not even sure I want to add a print server to them. At best right now they will have 3-4 printers. They won't ever need a file server. Most work is done via SaaS services. Honestly if we didn't have some jacked up forms built to only work in MS Office, then I'd say the hell with Windows for those users. It's really not even needed.
Does the online version of Office work for those forms? you can find out by trying a free OneDrive account and edit the file online there.
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They come to class, use the device for studying, testing & research purposes and go home. No checking device out to go with you home.
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@krisleslie said in Anyone figured out how to ZeroTier with AD?:
Honestly, it's really for authentication. I'm not even sure I want to add a print server to them. At best right now they will have 3-4 printers. They won't ever need a file server. Most work is done via SaaS services. Honestly if we didn't have some jacked up forms built to only work in MS Office, then I'd say the hell with Windows for those users. It's really not even needed.
yeah that is honestly your best best, try to eliminate Windows. Possibly use powershell for repeatable scripts if you can.
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@krisleslie said in Anyone figured out how to ZeroTier with AD?:
They come to class, use the device for studying, testing & research purposes and go home. No checking device out to go with you home.
In that case - there is no concern about remote access - no concern for these users for ZT or L2TP, etc.
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@krisleslie said in Anyone figured out how to ZeroTier with AD?:
So you're suggesting to throw ZeroTier out of the equation (since we're dealing with AD) and then setup L2TP on each router (Site A and Site C) and each client (only a handful of clients for staff but for students maybe a bit of a headache).
Yep - though the ERs will have site to site IPSec, not L2TP.
https://help.ubnt.com/hc/en-us/articles/115011377588-EdgeRouter-Route-Based-Site-to-Site-IPsec-VPN -
Absolutely the "free" online version of Office works. On a side project, I'm trying to see if I can move over all users from our GoDaddy domain to Google (since we have it for the most part free) and save some coin. My director and various HR staff made horrible forms that exist in Word or Excel. My goal as been to remove Word or Excel even being a needed app except for certain positions and requirements. I personally can't get rid of Word in IT only because I have to use it to build templates for the Saas database we have. But short of that all my work doc wise is about 95% in Google. That 5% for me are those few docs that can't be done in Google without major changes.
See in the overall scheme of things, users just make data. Certain types of data make my job more annoying. If I remove the "needing to backup word docs and spreadsheets etc" from the equation that alone saves any company money on wasted MS Office purchases and also on data storage since its just a string of text from a database template vs a whole doc.
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@IRJ Lol PowerShell for what purpose?
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@JaredBusch said in Anyone figured out how to ZeroTier with AD?:
Your AD server needs ZT and the ZT adapter needs to be marked as listened on in DNS server setup. The problem with this is that non ZT devices might get the ZT address of the server when they do a DNS look up and that will break things.
This is complicated.
Is there a way to utilize ZeroTier Flow Rules to help with DNS lookup?
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@krisleslie said in Anyone figured out how to ZeroTier with AD?:
@IRJ Lol PowerShell for what purpose?
managing systems like you would do with Group Policy?
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@krisleslie said in Anyone figured out how to ZeroTier with AD?:
We are a multi hat non-profit. We just so happen to be a post-secondary school too.
Office 365 has plans for non-profits that are super cheap. like $5/u/m cheap with full blown Office local. without office might be $1/u/m.
you could migrate the whole company to O365 if you wanted.
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@krisleslie said in Anyone figured out how to ZeroTier with AD?:
Absolutely the "free" online version of Office works. On a side project, I'm trying to see if I can move over all users from our GoDaddy domain to Google (since we have it for the most part free) and save some coin.
What are you doing on GoDaddy? you did more than just buy a domain from them?
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@Dashrender said in Anyone figured out how to ZeroTier with AD?:
Office 365 has plans for non-profits that are super cheap. like $5/u/m cheap with full blown Office local. without office might be $1/u/m.
That's cheap, but still more expensive than Zoho at full price, which we've found to actually be a better product. So $1/u/m for the $5 O365 products!
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@scottalanmiller said in Anyone figured out how to ZeroTier with AD?:
@Dashrender said in Anyone figured out how to ZeroTier with AD?:
Office 365 has plans for non-profits that are super cheap. like $5/u/m cheap with full blown Office local. without office might be $1/u/m.
That's cheap, but still more expensive than Zoho at full price, which we've found to actually be a better product. So $1/u/m for the $5 O365 products!
I'm guessing that you and @Dashrender are talking about different feature sets. Office 365 Business Essentials, which is comparable to Zoho email and Zoho Docs is free for non-profits, and Office 365 A1 (the education equivalent) is also free. Office 365 Business Premium which is the < 300 user equivalent to the E3 license is $3/u/m which is less than the pricing for Zoho's Docs (assuming more than 5 users).
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@Kelly said in Anyone figured out how to ZeroTier with AD?:
I'm guessing that you and @Dashrender are talking about different feature sets. Office 365 Business Essentials, which is comparable to Zoho email and Zoho Docs is free for non-profits
Hmmm.. must be.
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@Kelly said in Anyone figured out how to ZeroTier with AD?:
Office 365 Business Premium which is the < 300 user equivalent to the E3 license is $3/u/m which is less than the pricing for Zoho's Docs (assuming more than 5 users).
Zoho Docs is actually $1. But they don't advertise it. It's included with email believe it or not.
In our $1 we get Zoho Mail, Cliq (IM), Connect (up to 25 users, that's their Yammer equiv), Docs, Writer, Sheets, Show, Notepad, and a few other little pieces. It's actually pretty amazing how much is included. And if we go over 25 users and want to keep Connect, it's just $1 more for $2 total.
