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    • WrCombsW
      WrCombs @scottalanmiller
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      @scottalanmiller said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:

      @WrCombs said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:

      @bnrstnr said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:

      @WrCombs said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:

      @bnrstnr said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:

      @WrCombs said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:

      @bnrstnr said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:

      Hypothetically, what happens if he convinced the customer to upgrade to Windows 10 all around and the issue persists? I don't see any references to where Windows 10 fixed the specific problem that he's having...

      because we haven't upgraded the site to windows 10

      Exactly, what if you upgraded the site to Windows 10 and the problem persists? What would the plan of action be then?

      new equipment with a fresh windows 10 image.

      The question was more posed to the other posters pushing the "Windows 10 upgrade is the only ethical and correct solution"

      I know what your company would do lol that was clearly stated a hundred times :face_with_stuck-out_tongue_winking_eye:

      the is the same question My boss asked me while we were having this discussion yesterday.

      Given that you know that staying on Windows 7 hasn't fixed the issue on other machines as it keeps coming back, did you ask the inverse? How does simply ignoring the issue resolve it?

      No I didn't.

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      • DustinB3403D
        DustinB3403 @scottalanmiller
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        @scottalanmiller said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:

        @WrCombs said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:

        @bnrstnr said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:

        @WrCombs said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:

        @bnrstnr said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:

        @WrCombs said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:

        @bnrstnr said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:

        Hypothetically, what happens if he convinced the customer to upgrade to Windows 10 all around and the issue persists? I don't see any references to where Windows 10 fixed the specific problem that he's having...

        because we haven't upgraded the site to windows 10

        Exactly, what if you upgraded the site to Windows 10 and the problem persists? What would the plan of action be then?

        new equipment with a fresh windows 10 image.

        The question was more posed to the other posters pushing the "Windows 10 upgrade is the only ethical and correct solution"

        I know what your company would do lol that was clearly stated a hundred times :face_with_stuck-out_tongue_winking_eye:

        the is the same question My boss asked me while we were having this discussion yesterday.

        Given that you know that staying on Windows 7 hasn't fixed the issue on other machines as it keeps coming back, did you ask the inverse? How does simply ignoring the issue resolve it?

        Why are you asking @WrCombs to put his neck on the line. His boss has clearly stated that he doesn't want @WrCombs finding solutions instead of just being billable doing the same things over and over.

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        • ObsolesceO
          Obsolesce @scottalanmiller
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          @scottalanmiller said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:

          @bnrstnr said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:

          Hypothetically, what happens if he convinced the customer to upgrade to Windows 10 all around and the issue persists? I don't see any references to where Windows 10 fixed the specific problem that he's having...

          THen he'd have wasted minimal time and be no worse than where he is today... able to install Windows 7 or recommend the upgrade as needed. The point being it is a non-committal, really fast test, and would get him to a point that there is modern support for the OS.

          Upgrading is zero wasted time because that needs done regardless of present issues, and should have already been done years ago.

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          • DashrenderD
            Dashrender @Obsolesce
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            @Obsolesce said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:

            @scottalanmiller said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:

            @bnrstnr said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:

            Hypothetically, what happens if he convinced the customer to upgrade to Windows 10 all around and the issue persists? I don't see any references to where Windows 10 fixed the specific problem that he's having...

            THen he'd have wasted minimal time and be no worse than where he is today... able to install Windows 7 or recommend the upgrade as needed. The point being it is a non-committal, really fast test, and would get him to a point that there is modern support for the OS.

            Upgrading is zero wasted time because that needs done regardless of present issues, and should have already been done years ago.

            but it goes against the policy - upgrades only happen if happening at the site level.

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            • DustinB3403D
              DustinB3403 @Dashrender
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              @Dashrender said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:

              @Obsolesce said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:

              @scottalanmiller said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:

              @bnrstnr said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:

              Hypothetically, what happens if he convinced the customer to upgrade to Windows 10 all around and the issue persists? I don't see any references to where Windows 10 fixed the specific problem that he's having...

              THen he'd have wasted minimal time and be no worse than where he is today... able to install Windows 7 or recommend the upgrade as needed. The point being it is a non-committal, really fast test, and would get him to a point that there is modern support for the OS.

              Upgrading is zero wasted time because that needs done regardless of present issues, and should have already been done years ago.

              but it goes against the policy - upgrades only happen if happening at the site level.

              This is news to us, as far as we've been made aware, sites never get upgraded unless the client is paying for the most current Aloha, purchasing new servers (why), and terminals.

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              • DustinB3403D
                DustinB3403
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                @Dashrender it makes sense, this way everything is uniform, but that has yet to have been declared in any of these posts as far as I can recall.

                The trouble is that the client is having an issue, one that could be remedied by upgrading (possibly). And @WrCombs and his boss has no way to really get the client to pay for that upgrade, without having tested it out.

                So the issue is a shit-sandwich that everyone has to take a large bite out of.

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                • DashrenderD
                  Dashrender @DustinB3403
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                  @DustinB3403 said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:

                  @Dashrender said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:

                  @Obsolesce said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:

                  @scottalanmiller said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:

                  @bnrstnr said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:

                  Hypothetically, what happens if he convinced the customer to upgrade to Windows 10 all around and the issue persists? I don't see any references to where Windows 10 fixed the specific problem that he's having...

                  THen he'd have wasted minimal time and be no worse than where he is today... able to install Windows 7 or recommend the upgrade as needed. The point being it is a non-committal, really fast test, and would get him to a point that there is modern support for the OS.

                  Upgrading is zero wasted time because that needs done regardless of present issues, and should have already been done years ago.

                  but it goes against the policy - upgrades only happen if happening at the site level.

                  This is news to us, as far as we've been made aware, sites never get upgraded unless the client is paying for the most current Aloha, purchasing new servers (why), and terminals.

                  I was just parroting something someone said earlier - perhaps that statement was in error.

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                  • ObsolesceO
                    Obsolesce @Dashrender
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                    @Dashrender said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:

                    @Obsolesce said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:

                    @scottalanmiller said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:

                    @bnrstnr said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:

                    Hypothetically, what happens if he convinced the customer to upgrade to Windows 10 all around and the issue persists? I don't see any references to where Windows 10 fixed the specific problem that he's having...

                    THen he'd have wasted minimal time and be no worse than where he is today... able to install Windows 7 or recommend the upgrade as needed. The point being it is a non-committal, really fast test, and would get him to a point that there is modern support for the OS.

                    Upgrading is zero wasted time because that needs done regardless of present issues, and should have already been done years ago.

                    but it goes against the policy - upgrades only happen if happening at the site level.

                    Whatever the policy, upgrading (site level, whatever conditions you want to insert) is not a waste of time because it needs to be done regardless of present issues, and should have already been done years ago.

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                    • DashrenderD
                      Dashrender @DustinB3403
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                      @DustinB3403 said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:

                      @Dashrender it makes sense, this way everything is uniform, but that has yet to have been declared in any of these posts as far as I can recall.

                      The trouble is that the client is having an issue, one that could be remedied by upgrading (possibly). And @WrCombs and his boss has no way to really get the client to pay for that upgrade, without having tested it out.

                      So the issue is a shit-sandwich that everyone has to take a large bite out of.

                      I'm not sure how the billing works for these clients - do they pay @WrCombs company a monthly fee to 'support them' or do they pay by the hour for break fix?

                      if it's monthly - damn - just upgrade the site already and move on.
                      if it's hourly - well the client gets to decide - PERIOD. Now the question is - what does the client get to decide between? If @WrCombs company doesn't support mixed environments, then the client could see a HUGE bill for a single system issue (i.e. upgrading the whole site), or if they do support mixed environments, then just upgrade that one machine.
                      Option three - replace the computer.

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                      • DashrenderD
                        Dashrender @Obsolesce
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                        @Obsolesce said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:

                        @Dashrender said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:

                        @Obsolesce said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:

                        @scottalanmiller said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:

                        @bnrstnr said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:

                        Hypothetically, what happens if he convinced the customer to upgrade to Windows 10 all around and the issue persists? I don't see any references to where Windows 10 fixed the specific problem that he's having...

                        THen he'd have wasted minimal time and be no worse than where he is today... able to install Windows 7 or recommend the upgrade as needed. The point being it is a non-committal, really fast test, and would get him to a point that there is modern support for the OS.

                        Upgrading is zero wasted time because that needs done regardless of present issues, and should have already been done years ago.

                        but it goes against the policy - upgrades only happen if happening at the site level.

                        Whatever the policy, upgrading (site level, whatever conditions you want to insert) is not a waste of time because it needs to be done regardless of present issues, and should have already been done years ago.

                        Well sure, of course it should have been - but hell, I was someplace last week, and their POS was still on XP.

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                        • ObsolesceO
                          Obsolesce @Dashrender
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                          @Dashrender said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:

                          I was someplace last week, and their POS was still on XP.

                          :thumbs_up:

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                          • WrCombsW
                            WrCombs @Dashrender
                            last edited by

                            @Dashrender said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:

                            @Obsolesce said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:

                            @Dashrender said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:

                            @Obsolesce said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:

                            @scottalanmiller said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:

                            @bnrstnr said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:

                            Hypothetically, what happens if he convinced the customer to upgrade to Windows 10 all around and the issue persists? I don't see any references to where Windows 10 fixed the specific problem that he's having...

                            THen he'd have wasted minimal time and be no worse than where he is today... able to install Windows 7 or recommend the upgrade as needed. The point being it is a non-committal, really fast test, and would get him to a point that there is modern support for the OS.

                            Upgrading is zero wasted time because that needs done regardless of present issues, and should have already been done years ago.

                            but it goes against the policy - upgrades only happen if happening at the site level.

                            Whatever the policy, upgrading (site level, whatever conditions you want to insert) is not a waste of time because it needs to be done regardless of present issues, and should have already been done years ago.

                            Well sure, of course it should have been - but hell, I was someplace last week, and their POS was still on XP.

                            we have a lot of people who's POS are still on xp except the server

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                            • DustinB3403D
                              DustinB3403 @Dashrender
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                              @Dashrender said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:

                              @Obsolesce said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:

                              @Dashrender said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:

                              @Obsolesce said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:

                              @scottalanmiller said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:

                              @bnrstnr said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:

                              Hypothetically, what happens if he convinced the customer to upgrade to Windows 10 all around and the issue persists? I don't see any references to where Windows 10 fixed the specific problem that he's having...

                              THen he'd have wasted minimal time and be no worse than where he is today... able to install Windows 7 or recommend the upgrade as needed. The point being it is a non-committal, really fast test, and would get him to a point that there is modern support for the OS.

                              Upgrading is zero wasted time because that needs done regardless of present issues, and should have already been done years ago.

                              but it goes against the policy - upgrades only happen if happening at the site level.

                              Whatever the policy, upgrading (site level, whatever conditions you want to insert) is not a waste of time because it needs to be done regardless of present issues, and should have already been done years ago.

                              Well sure, of course it should have been - but hell, I was someplace last week, and their POS was still on XP.

                              Yeah I;m not sure how that makes the point? as @Obsolesce said :thumbs_up: because that site and this one aren't the same, right? I know @WrCombs said he's seen / heard / dealt with clients on XP.

                              But what's the relevance to fixing this issue?

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                              • WrCombsW
                                WrCombs @Dashrender
                                last edited by

                                @Dashrender said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:

                                @DustinB3403 said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:

                                @Dashrender it makes sense, this way everything is uniform, but that has yet to have been declared in any of these posts as far as I can recall.

                                The trouble is that the client is having an issue, one that could be remedied by upgrading (possibly). And @WrCombs and his boss has no way to really get the client to pay for that upgrade, without having tested it out.

                                So the issue is a shit-sandwich that everyone has to take a large bite out of.

                                I'm not sure how the billing works for these clients - do they pay @WrCombs company a monthly fee to 'support them' or do they pay by the hour for break fix?

                                if it's monthly - damn - just upgrade the site already and move on.
                                if it's hourly - well the client gets to decide - PERIOD. Now the question is - what does the client get to decide between? If @WrCombs company doesn't support mixed environments, then the client could see a HUGE bill for a single system issue (i.e. upgrading the whole site), or if they do support mixed environments, then just upgrade that one machine.
                                Option three - replace the computer.

                                They pay a monthly Fee for support - however as my boss has said to me and i cant challenge it - We dont upgrade OS versions. We will have to sell new hardware/software. for everyone - IDK why we do it that way, but what my boss says goes..

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                                • DustinB3403D
                                  DustinB3403 @WrCombs
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                                  @WrCombs said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:

                                  We will have to sell new hardware/software. for everyone - IDK why we do it that way, but what my boss says goes..

                                  The answer is in his statement.

                                  We will have to sell new hardware/software.

                                  It's all sales driven, you "support" only what is installed, and literally nothing else. If there is ever a change in the PoS a client has you no longer support it as the client has circumvented your support chain.

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                                  • DustinB3403D
                                    DustinB3403
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                                    There is literally zero other way to look at this besides your boss/employer as offering no support at all. Support ends at "you need to purchase the latest and greatest" (because we make way more money selling you the thing all over again).

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                                    • pmonchoP
                                      pmoncho @WrCombs
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                                      @WrCombs said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:

                                      @Dashrender said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:

                                      @DustinB3403 said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:

                                      @Dashrender it makes sense, this way everything is uniform, but that has yet to have been declared in any of these posts as far as I can recall.

                                      The trouble is that the client is having an issue, one that could be remedied by upgrading (possibly). And @WrCombs and his boss has no way to really get the client to pay for that upgrade, without having tested it out.

                                      So the issue is a shit-sandwich that everyone has to take a large bite out of.

                                      I'm not sure how the billing works for these clients - do they pay @WrCombs company a monthly fee to 'support them' or do they pay by the hour for break fix?

                                      if it's monthly - damn - just upgrade the site already and move on.
                                      if it's hourly - well the client gets to decide - PERIOD. Now the question is - what does the client get to decide between? If @WrCombs company doesn't support mixed environments, then the client could see a HUGE bill for a single system issue (i.e. upgrading the whole site), or if they do support mixed environments, then just upgrade that one machine.
                                      Option three - replace the computer.

                                      They pay a monthly Fee for support - however as my boss has said to me and i cant challenge it - We dont upgrade OS versions. We will have to sell new hardware/software. for everyone - IDK why we do it that way, but what my boss says goes..

                                      Does IT at your own company (aka, you) upgrade OS's on internal hardware?

                                      Just wondering if purchasing new hardware is a cultural issue at your company.

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                                      • DustinB3403D
                                        DustinB3403
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                                        If your employer offered support, it would include things such as troubleshooting software and OS issues. But because you are explicitly told to not upgrade a client unless they've purchased new servers software and hardware are you not actually offering support.

                                        Support in most circles would fall into the "Support and Service" categories of things sold.

                                        I support and sell printers - brands Canon, Xerox, Epson etc.

                                        But what it seems like is that you Sell a product, and offer the facade of support within the ecosystem that was sold.

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                                        • scottalanmillerS
                                          scottalanmiller @WrCombs
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                                          @WrCombs said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:

                                          @Dashrender said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:

                                          @DustinB3403 said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:

                                          @Dashrender it makes sense, this way everything is uniform, but that has yet to have been declared in any of these posts as far as I can recall.

                                          The trouble is that the client is having an issue, one that could be remedied by upgrading (possibly). And @WrCombs and his boss has no way to really get the client to pay for that upgrade, without having tested it out.

                                          So the issue is a shit-sandwich that everyone has to take a large bite out of.

                                          I'm not sure how the billing works for these clients - do they pay @WrCombs company a monthly fee to 'support them' or do they pay by the hour for break fix?

                                          if it's monthly - damn - just upgrade the site already and move on.
                                          if it's hourly - well the client gets to decide - PERIOD. Now the question is - what does the client get to decide between? If @WrCombs company doesn't support mixed environments, then the client could see a HUGE bill for a single system issue (i.e. upgrading the whole site), or if they do support mixed environments, then just upgrade that one machine.
                                          Option three - replace the computer.

                                          They pay a monthly Fee for support - however as my boss has said to me and i cant challenge it - We dont upgrade OS versions. We will have to sell new hardware/software. for everyone - IDK why we do it that way, but what my boss says goes..

                                          It makes big time money. It's an obvious business choice.

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                                          • DashrenderD
                                            Dashrender @WrCombs
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                                            @WrCombs said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:

                                            @Dashrender said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:

                                            @DustinB3403 said in Started as Win 7 Issue.. Now Job Searching?:

                                            @Dashrender it makes sense, this way everything is uniform, but that has yet to have been declared in any of these posts as far as I can recall.

                                            The trouble is that the client is having an issue, one that could be remedied by upgrading (possibly). And @WrCombs and his boss has no way to really get the client to pay for that upgrade, without having tested it out.

                                            So the issue is a shit-sandwich that everyone has to take a large bite out of.

                                            I'm not sure how the billing works for these clients - do they pay @WrCombs company a monthly fee to 'support them' or do they pay by the hour for break fix?

                                            if it's monthly - damn - just upgrade the site already and move on.
                                            if it's hourly - well the client gets to decide - PERIOD. Now the question is - what does the client get to decide between? If @WrCombs company doesn't support mixed environments, then the client could see a HUGE bill for a single system issue (i.e. upgrading the whole site), or if they do support mixed environments, then just upgrade that one machine.
                                            Option three - replace the computer.

                                            They pay a monthly Fee for support - however as my boss has said to me and i cant challenge it - We dont upgrade OS versions. We will have to sell new hardware/software. for everyone - IDK why we do it that way, but what my boss says goes..

                                            Then that is the policy and the only solution to the problem is to sell them a new system. The client either accepts that or they fire your company and finds a new vendor to support what they have that will think "outside the box" and upgrade that failing machine.

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