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    • FATeknollogeeF
      FATeknollogee
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      # virt-v2v -i ova vProtect-Generic.ova -o libvirt -of qcow2 -os VirtualMachines
      [   0.0] Opening the source -i ova vProtect-Generic.ova
      virt-v2v: warning: making OVA directory public readable to work around 
      libvirt bug https://bugzilla.redhat.com/1045069
      [   3.5] Creating an overlay to protect the source from being modified
      [   3.7] Opening the overlay
      [   7.6] Inspecting the overlay
      [  23.7] Checking for sufficient free disk space in the guest
      [  23.7] Estimating space required on target for each disk
      [  23.7] Converting CentOS Linux release 7.6.1810 (Core)  to run on KVM
      virt-v2v: This guest has virtio drivers installed.
      [  88.9] Mapping filesystem data to avoid copying unused and blank areas
      [  89.8] Closing the overlay
      [  90.0] Assigning disks to buses
      [  90.0] Checking if the guest needs BIOS or UEFI to boot
      [  90.0] Initializing the target -o libvirt -os VirtualMachines
      [  90.1] Copying disk 1/2 to /vm/vProtect-sda (qcow2)
          (100.00/100%)
      [ 108.3] Copying disk 2/2 to /vm/vProtect-sdb (qcow2)
          (100.00/100%)
      [ 126.1] Creating output metadata
      Pool VirtualMachines refreshed
      
      Domain vProtect defined from /tmp/v2vlibvirtc251bd.xml
      
      [ 126.3] Finishing off
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      • scottalanmillerS
        scottalanmiller
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        You are trying to install vProtect the agentless backup product for KVM?

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        • FATeknollogeeF
          FATeknollogee @scottalanmiller
          last edited by FATeknollogee

          @scottalanmiller said in Virt-manager: IDE disks:

          You are trying to install vProtect the agentless backup product for KVM?

          Kinda, they have an appliance (prepackaged ova exported from ESXi), I was going to test it.
          Trying to convert the ova to qcow2
          Quicker than installing the app from scratch.

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          • scottalanmillerS
            scottalanmiller @FATeknollogee
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            @FATeknollogee said in Virt-manager: IDE disks:

            Kinda, they have an appliance (prepackaged ova exported from ESXi), I was going to test it.

            Crash consistent only, I'd not use that. Why are you looking at it?

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            • FATeknollogeeF
              FATeknollogee @scottalanmiller
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              @scottalanmiller said in Virt-manager: IDE disks:

              @FATeknollogee said in Virt-manager: IDE disks:

              Kinda, they have an appliance (prepackaged ova exported from ESXi), I was going to test it.

              Crash consistent only, I'd not use that. Why are you looking at it?

              Why am I looking at the application?

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              • scottalanmillerS
                scottalanmiller @FATeknollogee
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                @FATeknollogee said in Virt-manager: IDE disks:

                Quicker than installing the app from scratch.

                Is it? You still need to get to VirtIO in the end. And you want a reliable method for the future. I would not want to do it this way unless there was no other choice.

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                • scottalanmillerS
                  scottalanmiller @FATeknollogee
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                  @FATeknollogee said in Virt-manager: IDE disks:

                  @scottalanmiller said in Virt-manager: IDE disks:

                  @FATeknollogee said in Virt-manager: IDE disks:

                  Kinda, they have an appliance (prepackaged ova exported from ESXi), I was going to test it.

                  Crash consistent only, I'd not use that. Why are you looking at it?

                  Why am I looking at the application?

                  Yes, why are you looking at a crash-consistent "backup" tool?

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                  • FATeknollogeeF
                    FATeknollogee @scottalanmiller
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                    @scottalanmiller said in Virt-manager: IDE disks:

                    @FATeknollogee said in Virt-manager: IDE disks:

                    Quicker than installing the app from scratch.

                    Is it? You still need to get to VirtIO in the end. And you want a reliable method for the future. I would not want to do it this way unless there was no other choice.

                    For lab testing, this method "should" have been faster!

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                    • FATeknollogeeF
                      FATeknollogee @scottalanmiller
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                      @scottalanmiller said in Virt-manager: IDE disks:

                      @FATeknollogee said in Virt-manager: IDE disks:

                      @scottalanmiller said in Virt-manager: IDE disks:

                      @FATeknollogee said in Virt-manager: IDE disks:

                      Kinda, they have an appliance (prepackaged ova exported from ESXi), I was going to test it.

                      Crash consistent only, I'd not use that. Why are you looking at it?

                      Why am I looking at the application?

                      Yes, why are you looking at a crash-consistent "backup" tool?

                      Not too many other choices out there!

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                      • scottalanmillerS
                        scottalanmiller @FATeknollogee
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                        @FATeknollogee said in Virt-manager: IDE disks:

                        @scottalanmiller said in Virt-manager: IDE disks:

                        @FATeknollogee said in Virt-manager: IDE disks:

                        Quicker than installing the app from scratch.

                        Is it? You still need to get to VirtIO in the end. And you want a reliable method for the future. I would not want to do it this way unless there was no other choice.

                        For lab testing, this method "should" have been faster!

                        I'm not sure that I agree. Pre-built appliances are nearly always a massive pain and they aren't a good process for testing end to end. So more work up front, more work later. I generally dislike them a lot. Faster they never seem to be.

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                        • scottalanmillerS
                          scottalanmiller @FATeknollogee
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                          @FATeknollogee said in Virt-manager: IDE disks:

                          @scottalanmiller said in Virt-manager: IDE disks:

                          @FATeknollogee said in Virt-manager: IDE disks:

                          @scottalanmiller said in Virt-manager: IDE disks:

                          @FATeknollogee said in Virt-manager: IDE disks:

                          Kinda, they have an appliance (prepackaged ova exported from ESXi), I was going to test it.

                          Crash consistent only, I'd not use that. Why are you looking at it?

                          Why am I looking at the application?

                          Yes, why are you looking at a crash-consistent "backup" tool?

                          Not too many other choices out there!

                          What do you mean? There are endless awesome choices. This just isn't one of them. Why do you perceive a shortage of backup options?

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                          • FATeknollogeeF
                            FATeknollogee @scottalanmiller
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                            @scottalanmiller said in Virt-manager: IDE disks:

                            @FATeknollogee said in Virt-manager: IDE disks:

                            @scottalanmiller said in Virt-manager: IDE disks:

                            @FATeknollogee said in Virt-manager: IDE disks:

                            @scottalanmiller said in Virt-manager: IDE disks:

                            @FATeknollogee said in Virt-manager: IDE disks:

                            Kinda, they have an appliance (prepackaged ova exported from ESXi), I was going to test it.

                            Crash consistent only, I'd not use that. Why are you looking at it?

                            Why am I looking at the application?

                            Yes, why are you looking at a crash-consistent "backup" tool?

                            Not too many other choices out there!

                            What do you mean? There are endless awesome choices. This just isn't one of them. Why do you perceive a shortage of backup options?

                            List them out for me, please

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                            • scottalanmillerS
                              scottalanmiller
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                              Crash Consistent is the issue here, that I would see. When there are "real" backups that are full, rather than non-quiesced, why bother taking a backup if it isn't reliable? Reliability is the biggest factor in whether you consider a backup useful. It's not like you could use this and tell a client that you took a backup.

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                              • scottalanmillerS
                                scottalanmiller @FATeknollogee
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                                @FATeknollogee said in Virt-manager: IDE disks:

                                @scottalanmiller said in Virt-manager: IDE disks:

                                @FATeknollogee said in Virt-manager: IDE disks:

                                @scottalanmiller said in Virt-manager: IDE disks:

                                @FATeknollogee said in Virt-manager: IDE disks:

                                @scottalanmiller said in Virt-manager: IDE disks:

                                @FATeknollogee said in Virt-manager: IDE disks:

                                Kinda, they have an appliance (prepackaged ova exported from ESXi), I was going to test it.

                                Crash consistent only, I'd not use that. Why are you looking at it?

                                Why am I looking at the application?

                                Yes, why are you looking at a crash-consistent "backup" tool?

                                Not too many other choices out there!

                                What do you mean? There are endless awesome choices. This just isn't one of them. Why do you perceive a shortage of backup options?

                                List them out for me, please

                                Veeam
                                Unitrends
                                StorageCraft
                                UrBackup
                                BackupPC
                                Amanda
                                Bacula
                                BackupExec
                                CloudBerry Backup
                                Cobian
                                Commvault
                                NetWorker
                                Spectrum Protect
                                Netbackup
                                Yosemite

                                Hundreds more, these are just the really big names.

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                                • scottalanmillerS
                                  scottalanmiller
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                                  In bold are the four that I would find most interesting and would only very rarely consider anything further. They range from free to pricy, self supported to enterprise support, and cover basically any possible scenario. Beyond those, I've had a lot of good luck with Netbackup in the enterprise.

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                                  • FATeknollogeeF
                                    FATeknollogee @scottalanmiller
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                                    @scottalanmiller said in Virt-manager: IDE disks:

                                    In bold are the four that I would find most interesting and would only very rarely consider anything further. They range from free to pricy, self supported to enterprise support, and cover basically any possible scenario. Beyond those, I've had a lot of good luck with Netbackup in the enterprise.

                                    Should have said, I prefer agentless!!

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                                    • scottalanmillerS
                                      scottalanmiller @FATeknollogee
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                                      @FATeknollogee said in Virt-manager: IDE disks:

                                      Should have said, I prefer agentless!!

                                      Which, in this case is the same as saying "I prefer it not to work."

                                      Agentless isn't an option here, period. Beyond that, why you have a "preference" for this kind of thing is an additional problem. IT should not have preferences, we should want proper solutions, however they work. Desiring a specific way of doing it, that can't be done, is an emotional mismatch.

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                                      • FATeknollogeeF
                                        FATeknollogee @scottalanmiller
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                                        @scottalanmiller said in Virt-manager: IDE disks:

                                        @FATeknollogee said in Virt-manager: IDE disks:

                                        Should have said, I prefer agentless!!

                                        Which, in this case is the same as saying "I prefer it not to work."

                                        Agentless isn't an option here, period. Beyond that, why you have a "preference" for this kind of thing is an additional problem. IT should not have preferences, we should want proper solutions, however they work. Desiring a specific way of doing it, that can't be done, is an emotional mismatch.

                                        I hear you loud & clear, but, I still prefer agentless.

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                                        • scottalanmillerS
                                          scottalanmiller
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                                          Since KVM doesn't support working agentless today (outside of very specialty systems like Scale HC3), you are at a starting point of having eliminated all working backups and only looking at a category that doesn't work. So naturally it will feel like your choices are limited, because there are literally zero.

                                          But this should not make you feel that the choices are limited, the proper reaction is to step back and say "I'm doing something wrong, I'm not looking at the goal (to protect the servers), I'm stuck in the weeds of an emotional "want" rather than a business "need"."

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                                          • scottalanmillerS
                                            scottalanmiller @FATeknollogee
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                                            @FATeknollogee said in Virt-manager: IDE disks:

                                            I hear you loud & clear, but, I still prefer agentless.

                                            Right. So you've identified the problem - an emotional breakage. You have to fix that, period. It's not a viable reaction. You need to step back and figure out why an emotion is driving you rather than reason and goal orientation.

                                            Everyone has their emotions and preferences, but there is no place in IT for those emotions to creep into our decision making. None. The moment we've done that, we move from being IT pros into being purchases in a consumer process.

                                            So in IT, one of our most important skills is learning to set the emotional preferences aside and focus rationally on goals and logical decision making.

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