Gaming Rig Issues
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@DustinB3403 said in Gaming Rig Issues:
@smartkid808 said in Gaming Rig Issues:
@DustinB3403 said in Gaming Rig Issues:
lol. . . why are you wanting to spend so much money on a Heatsink and fan?
since its RGB...lol.. why, is this considered a small heat sink? Do you have any RGB heatsink recommendations?
But it's still a "proxy cooling system".
Just get a large copper/aluminum heatsink and connect it directly to the board.
If you really want you can add additional case fans, but they likely aren't required.
Water is more effective than air at thermal transfer, so the theory goes. Today the only real difference is that you can have a much larger surface area and multiple fans covering that area compared to air cooling. If the water block is only large enough to have space to mount a single fan, or 2 fans on the same plane (push/pull), then air coolers are actually more efficient for less money.
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Think of the heatsink like this.
If proxy systems like this were better, every server system in the world would use it. They don't though. Heatsinks on things that get hot, with fans.
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@DustinB3403 said in Gaming Rig Issues:
That would be within the operating temp of the CPU and would be good for even gaming on.
OK, I may setup the Corsair software to shutdown when it his 60c to be on the safe side until I can get a replacement cooler in.
@DustinB3403 said in Gaming Rig Issues:
But it's still a "proxy cooling system".
Just get a large copper/aluminum heatsink and connect it directly to the board.
If you really want you can add additional case fans, but they likely aren't required.Sorry, I'm lost, what do you mean by Proxy Cooling System?
I currently have 2 fans in the front pulling air front to back, and one fan in the rear pulling the air out.
I can add 1 or 2 to the top where the AIO unit is currently at. I still have the large fan (240 or 280) that came with the case for the top of the unit. This is his case.
From what I understand, water cooling isn't really that great. or at least AIO systems. I am guessing for the long term, since I will be moving old school heat sink will be the best since the current pump went out after 1.5 years.
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@travisdh1 said in Gaming Rig Issues:
Water is more effective than air at thermal transfer, so the theory goes.
Got you!.. "Theory" of the Manufactures to charge more.. haha
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@travisdh1 said in Gaming Rig Issues:
@DustinB3403 said in Gaming Rig Issues:
@smartkid808 said in Gaming Rig Issues:
@DustinB3403 said in Gaming Rig Issues:
lol. . . why are you wanting to spend so much money on a Heatsink and fan?
since its RGB...lol.. why, is this considered a small heat sink? Do you have any RGB heatsink recommendations?
But it's still a "proxy cooling system".
Just get a large copper/aluminum heatsink and connect it directly to the board.
If you really want you can add additional case fans, but they likely aren't required.
Water is more effective than air at thermal transfer, so the theory goes. Today the only real difference is that you can have a much larger surface area and multiple fans covering that area compared to air cooling. If the water block is only large enough to have space to mount a single fan, or 2 fans on the same plane (push/pull), then air coolers are actually more efficient for less money.
It is, but the water has to be cooled by air. So that "theory" is a sales tactic. It's a gimmick. There are two values to water coolers...
- It shifts the primary location of the cooling system from inside the case to the edge allowing the air cooling area to be larger.
- It itself is a large "heat well" allowing more buffer in case of failure.
That's it.
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@DustinB3403 said in Gaming Rig Issues:
Think of the heatsink like this.
If proxy systems like this were better, every server system in the world would use it. They don't though. Heatsinks on things that get hot, with fans.Thanks, you just answered my question to above..
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@travisdh1 said in Gaming Rig Issues:
@DustinB3403 said in Gaming Rig Issues:
@smartkid808 said in Gaming Rig Issues:
@DustinB3403 said in Gaming Rig Issues:
lol. . . why are you wanting to spend so much money on a Heatsink and fan?
since its RGB...lol.. why, is this considered a small heat sink? Do you have any RGB heatsink recommendations?
But it's still a "proxy cooling system".
Just get a large copper/aluminum heatsink and connect it directly to the board.
If you really want you can add additional case fans, but they likely aren't required.
Water is more effective than air at thermal transfer, so the theory goes. Today the only real difference is that you can have a much larger surface area and multiple fans covering that area compared to air cooling. If the water block is only large enough to have space to mount a single fan, or 2 fans on the same plane (push/pull), then air coolers are actually more efficient for less money.
Sure, but these big box cooling systems don't have a ton of space to add more fans.
It's a limited amount of surface space.
Now if you were to add extremely high RPM fans and push it out of the case with airflow controls then there would be some value add. These units generally though are on par (maybe just slightly) better than a classic cooler.
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@DustinB3403 said in Gaming Rig Issues:
If proxy systems like this were better, every server system in the world would use it. They don't though. Heatsinks on things that get hot, with fans.
Big ones do, like mainframes and really high end data centers. They do this for the reasons that I specified...
They use the water to transfer the heat to giant roof top cooling towers. That's all. It's a scale thing.
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@DustinB3403 said in Gaming Rig Issues:
Think of the heatsink like this.
If proxy systems like this were better, every server system in the world would use it. They don't though. Heatsinks on things that get hot, with fans.
Many datacenters use water cooling, some exclusively. It's more efficient at scale than air cooling.
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@scottalanmiller said in Gaming Rig Issues:
@DustinB3403 said in Gaming Rig Issues:
If proxy systems like this were better, every server system in the world would use it. They don't though. Heatsinks on things that get hot, with fans.
Big ones do, like mainframes and really high end data centers. They do this for the reasons that I specified...
They use the water to transfer the heat to giant roof top cooling towers. That's all. It's a scale thing.
Yeah, but those are the exception to the rule.
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@DustinB3403 said in Gaming Rig Issues:
@travisdh1 said in Gaming Rig Issues:
@DustinB3403 said in Gaming Rig Issues:
@smartkid808 said in Gaming Rig Issues:
@DustinB3403 said in Gaming Rig Issues:
lol. . . why are you wanting to spend so much money on a Heatsink and fan?
since its RGB...lol.. why, is this considered a small heat sink? Do you have any RGB heatsink recommendations?
But it's still a "proxy cooling system".
Just get a large copper/aluminum heatsink and connect it directly to the board.
If you really want you can add additional case fans, but they likely aren't required.
Water is more effective than air at thermal transfer, so the theory goes. Today the only real difference is that you can have a much larger surface area and multiple fans covering that area compared to air cooling. If the water block is only large enough to have space to mount a single fan, or 2 fans on the same plane (push/pull), then air coolers are actually more efficient for less money.
Sure, but these big box cooling systems don't have a ton of space to add more fans.
Just the opposite today, especially as this is most likely a custom built system. Cases are designed for large water cooling systems today. The largest I've seen a single radiator is 140mmx4 fans, tho 120mmx2 and 120mmx3 is more common. Once you have more surface area to dissipate heat, water cooling wins hands down.
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@travisdh1 said in Gaming Rig Issues:
@DustinB3403 said in Gaming Rig Issues:
@travisdh1 said in Gaming Rig Issues:
@DustinB3403 said in Gaming Rig Issues:
@smartkid808 said in Gaming Rig Issues:
@DustinB3403 said in Gaming Rig Issues:
lol. . . why are you wanting to spend so much money on a Heatsink and fan?
since its RGB...lol.. why, is this considered a small heat sink? Do you have any RGB heatsink recommendations?
But it's still a "proxy cooling system".
Just get a large copper/aluminum heatsink and connect it directly to the board.
If you really want you can add additional case fans, but they likely aren't required.
Water is more effective than air at thermal transfer, so the theory goes. Today the only real difference is that you can have a much larger surface area and multiple fans covering that area compared to air cooling. If the water block is only large enough to have space to mount a single fan, or 2 fans on the same plane (push/pull), then air coolers are actually more efficient for less money.
Sure, but these big box cooling systems don't have a ton of space to add more fans.
Just the opposite today, especially as this is most likely a custom built system. Cases are designed for large water cooling systems today. The largest I've seen a single radiator is 140mmx4 fans, tho 120mmx2 and 120mmx3 is more common. Once you have more surface area to dissipate heat, water cooling wins hands down.
Does your dell R620 have water cooling? Again, there are exceptions to every rule and I already stated this. There are scenarios where this is done.
But 99% of the time it's a classic heatsink on a fan.
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@DustinB3403 said in Gaming Rig Issues:
@scottalanmiller said in Gaming Rig Issues:
@DustinB3403 said in Gaming Rig Issues:
If proxy systems like this were better, every server system in the world would use it. They don't though. Heatsinks on things that get hot, with fans.
Big ones do, like mainframes and really high end data centers. They do this for the reasons that I specified...
They use the water to transfer the heat to giant roof top cooling towers. That's all. It's a scale thing.
Yeah, but those are the exception to the rule.
In a way, you could argue the opposite. Essentially all data centers use water cooling between the air of the DC and the outside. In some cases, they cool from water towers going to the air, in some they use lake source cooling (Cornell's data centers in Ithaca, NY for example.) But water is always there.
The water might go into the servers, or the servers might air cool between the server and the water. But in that case, the air is the proxy, rather than the water.
It gets complicated. But water is the most common coolant component in big systems, air is common, but not as common. The most common is both going back and forth as a proxy to the other air to water to air again.
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In cases like this, using a consumer grade external cooler likely won't be doing a better job. It just costs more and has some pretty lights.
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@scottalanmiller said in Gaming Rig Issues:
@travisdh1 said in Gaming Rig Issues:
@DustinB3403 said in Gaming Rig Issues:
@smartkid808 said in Gaming Rig Issues:
@DustinB3403 said in Gaming Rig Issues:
lol. . . why are you wanting to spend so much money on a Heatsink and fan?
since its RGB...lol.. why, is this considered a small heat sink? Do you have any RGB heatsink recommendations?
But it's still a "proxy cooling system".
Just get a large copper/aluminum heatsink and connect it directly to the board.
If you really want you can add additional case fans, but they likely aren't required.
Water is more effective than air at thermal transfer, so the theory goes. Today the only real difference is that you can have a much larger surface area and multiple fans covering that area compared to air cooling. If the water block is only large enough to have space to mount a single fan, or 2 fans on the same plane (push/pull), then air coolers are actually more efficient for less money.
It is, but the water has to be cooled by air. So that "theory" is a sales tactic. It's a gimmick. There are two values to water coolers...
- It shifts the primary location of the cooling system from inside the case to the edge allowing the air cooling area to be larger.
- It itself is a large "heat well" allowing more buffer in case of failure.
That's it.
You can also, generally, have much bigger fans which turn slower if being quiet is important to you. But if it's an RGB setup I doubt noise in much of a factor.
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@DustinB3403 said in Gaming Rig Issues:
In cases like this, using a consumer grade external cooler likely won't be doing a better job. It just costs more and has some pretty lights.
Correct, it's unlikely to help, but seems to be a probably source of the problem.
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Now this is cool tech...
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@travisdh1 said in Gaming Rig Issues:
Just the opposite today, especially as this is most likely a custom built system. Cases are designed for large water cooling systems today. The largest I've seen a single radiator is 140mmx4 fans, tho 120mmx2 and 120mmx3 is more common. Once you have more surface area to dissipate heat, water cooling wins hands down.
This is a custom built rig, this is his case so there is a lot of room
So basically, the answer is switch to old school heat sink from what I understand, now to get a good one. Is the Cooler Master I mentioned above good for the job? I rather have something that costs a little more and work good, then break as I will be leaving the state in 5 months, and I would have to walk him through anything over the phone.
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@smartkid808 Ive had no problem with my water cooler. Pc is going on two years now. I don't overclock though, that is most likely the issue. I wouldn't do it. Stuff is too expensive to do it and I value my system being stable.
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The big heatsink you posted is likely going to be fine.
If you wanted to go over the top with cooling. Add many high rpm large case fans to ensure there is as much airflow as possible.
