Integrating OnlyOffice with NextCloud
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I see pricing and "free trials" all over the place on their website. What exactly is free, and in what cases do you need to pay? Why pay when it's free then?
It seems like the only thing that is free is just the desktop editors themselves after you make an account and log in on their software. I think that was one I tried and just get bugged to buy it all the time.
The whole thing seems sketchy.
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@Obsolesce said in Integrating OnlyOffice with NextCloud:
Why pay when it's free then?
For support, of course. Same as with nearly anything.
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@Obsolesce said in Integrating OnlyOffice with NextCloud:
I see pricing and "free trials" all over the place on their website.
Finding the free on their site isn't exactly hard. Take seconds. Just look for the community edition. Nearly all free products with paid support options call it that so that it is easy to find.
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@Obsolesce said in Integrating OnlyOffice with NextCloud:
It seems like the only thing that is free is just the desktop editors themselves after you make an account and log in on their software. I think that was one I tried and just get bugged to buy it all the time.
The whole thing seems sketchy.
What is sketchy? It's super clear that it is free, it is under the AGPL so there can't be sketchy as it uses a public license that tells you everything that there is to know. If you don't like the site, you can get it all from GitHub, too. But their default download page is for the free versions, anyway.
The thing you are looking at is pre-installed products with partner products (like NextCloud) included in a system image.
About as far from sketchy as it can get. Clear that it is free both in what they say and in how they license. There isn't any portion that isnt free.
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If you go look at their product listings, nearly every page points to a comparison of why you would pay when it is available for free...
https://www.onlyoffice.com/compare-server-editions.aspx
And when mentioning the free version, they give you a "get it now" button to make it simpler to get the free version.
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@scottalanmiller said in Integrating OnlyOffice with NextCloud:
If you go look at their product listings, nearly every page points to a comparison of why you would pay when it is available for free...
https://www.onlyoffice.com/compare-server-editions.aspx
And when mentioning the free version, they give you a "get it now" button to make it simpler to get the free version.
For me, there is no default download page. It just gives options for the different paid versions, or the free desktop app. Everything else leads to paying or trying out after inputting your info and making an account.
It is not obvious getting to those pages you linked. I actually can't find a way to end up there from their main page, following the obvious paths.
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@Obsolesce said in Integrating OnlyOffice with NextCloud:
@scottalanmiller said in Integrating OnlyOffice with NextCloud:
If you go look at their product listings, nearly every page points to a comparison of why you would pay when it is available for free...
https://www.onlyoffice.com/compare-server-editions.aspx
And when mentioning the free version, they give you a "get it now" button to make it simpler to get the free version.
For me, there is no default download page. It just gives options for the different paid versions, or the free desktop app. Everything else leads to paying or trying out after inputting your info and making an account.
It is not obvious getting to those pages you linked. I actually can't find a way to end up there from their main page, following the obvious paths.
I got there right away from going to the comparisons of enterprise vs free.
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@scottalanmiller said in Integrating OnlyOffice with NextCloud:
@Obsolesce said in Integrating OnlyOffice with NextCloud:
@scottalanmiller said in Integrating OnlyOffice with NextCloud:
If you go look at their product listings, nearly every page points to a comparison of why you would pay when it is available for free...
https://www.onlyoffice.com/compare-server-editions.aspx
And when mentioning the free version, they give you a "get it now" button to make it simpler to get the free version.
For me, there is no default download page. It just gives options for the different paid versions, or the free desktop app. Everything else leads to paying or trying out after inputting your info and making an account.
It is not obvious getting to those pages you linked. I actually can't find a way to end up there from their main page, following the obvious paths.
I got there right away from going to the comparisons of enterprise vs free.
Indeed:
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Here is a quick video of getting there in two clicks.
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@scottalanmiller said in Integrating OnlyOffice with NextCloud:
Here is a quick video of getting there in two clicks.
I clicked the download button, because well... why not? I wanted to download it. Crazy me for thinking the download button would take me to download the community edition.
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@Obsolesce said in Integrating OnlyOffice with NextCloud:
I clicked the download button, because well... why not? I wanted to download it. Crazy me for thinking the download button would take me to download the community edition.
I think you are expecting that someone is going to push you towards the free version rather than trying to sell you on paying for a paid support version. That makes no sense. Might it happen, sure. Is it likely or logical? No. You state it like it would seem crazy, but if you use some empathy for the people who are paid by convincing people to pay for their support or upgraded features, it makes no sense to shove the free version in their faces. They already make it trivially easy to find and quite obvious that it is there and they make a point of going out of their way to promote it elsewhere (like posting about it around here.)
What's crazy is thinking that something that has stated clearly it is open source and free, has posted their code, has trivial links showing where to get it.... is actually not any of those things and sketchy because they want to be a successful business. It's not a rational expectation.
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Would you think that Chevy doesn't sell cheaper cars, just because their salesman suggested a more expensive one? Does McDonald's not have a dollar menu just because their greeting is for the limited time, and more expensive item? Or course not, that would be nutty.
The job of the sales person or marketing message is to up sell you. If you want the cheapest (lowest margin or lowest profit) option, you are going to need to do some foot work yourself and avoid what people are trying to sell you.
This applies to every aspect of your life. Your job is going to try to low ball you on salary. Your car salesman is going to try to upsell you. Your college is not going to try to give you a discount. You name it, every interaction you have someone is at least casually trying to get more out of you, and it often works. That's why sales people get paid, and why marketers gets paid.
OnlyOffice is no different. They are acting reasonably, rationally, ethically, and normally - exactly how you'd expect a good company with an open source product would act.
They actually go really far out of their way to make the open and free aspects clear, moreso than the average open and free company by a bit.
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@Obsolesce said in Integrating OnlyOffice with NextCloud:
y not? I wanted to download it. Crazy me for thinking the download button would take me to download the community edition.
It is clear though, Community Edition is that way always
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Hello, I represent ONLYOFFICE here, and I can answer your questions, although @scottalanmiller has already done my job, I think)
We have both free and commercial builds. Just take ONLYOFFICE Community Edition (to be more exact Document Server that is a part of CE) if you need a free one. It is easy.
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Just install our Document Server. We recommend using Docker https://helpcenter.onlyoffice.com/server/docker/document/docker-installation.aspx
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Get the integration app from the Nextcloud App Store https://apps.nextcloud.com/apps/onlyoffice
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Go to the Nextcloud settings and do this https://monosnap.com/file/X8NYAafxd9gxiBSDFIEQwBWNLPxYZQ
CE has some limitations - up to 20 users. The license is AGPL v3
Integration Edition (IE) is a commercial build, a way of delivering our Document Server to enterprises.
The source code of Document Server is open and available on GitHub, so both CE and IE are open source.
Sorry if our website seemed complicated, the thing is that we have many products - for home users, SMBs, for developers, and so on. But I here to answer the questions, really sorry that I missed previous ones.
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Also, I have some great news! ONLYOFFICE and Nextcloud formed an official technological partnership which means that we are ready to enhance our integration. How? We wrote a blog post about it. Brief overview:
What has been done:
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Sharing via public link
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Easier work with OpenDocument
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Virtual app appliances installation (the easiest way to install the ONLYOFFICE+Nextcloud combo).
Plans
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Connecting ONLYOFFICE desktop
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Inserting images from the file manager
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Force Save
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Converted file downloading from the file manager.
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Sharing from the editor
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@hellonadya something I'd love to see is a clear "how to" on your website of using an external reverse proxy. The current instructions expect that the proxy is local (on the same box as NextCloud and OnlyOffice) and when the parts are on three different servers, things work a bit differently.
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@scottalanmiller ok, we'll try to do this :smiling_face:
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@hellonadya said in Integrating OnlyOffice with NextCloud:
@scottalanmiller ok, we'll try to do this :smiling_face:
Awesome, thanks. There are just a few details that differ and are confusing because the standard docs don't apply and there isn't clear documentation (that I've found) that expresses what the systems are really looking for.
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@scottalanmiller you can DM me what problems you've had. Maybe I will be able to have the answers sooner
