DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright
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FFS I can't find the topic, but it was on Spiceworks where a guy posted a question asking where he can find microsoft license keys for Windows Server, and everyone (except for Scott and myself) was claiming he should go to jail.
Yet what is legal in his area of the world, is illegal here. We can't enable him to steal (our laws prevent us from helping or being punished for doing so).
Yet his laws actively encourage/reward it.
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@tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:
@dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:
@tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:
Intent of theft is illegal, because it "permanently depriving the other of it". In the case of piracy, this is not the case.
Where do you see that intent of pirating digital goods is illegal?
How do you see that it is not illegal? Do you live in Iran where theft is encourage?
Where do you see a law that states "intent to enable piracy" is illegal?
Intent to steal, piracy is theft no matter how you look at it.
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@dashrender said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:
@tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:
Intent of theft is illegal, because it "permanently depriving the other of it". In the case of piracy, this is not the case.
Where do you see that intent of pirating digital goods is illegal?3
This isn't the case, the case would then be "Intent of enabling piracy".
say what? Intent of theft - but not theft is a crime? So I intend to steal something from you.. but you're watching me to closely... so I don't steal from you.. but I'm still somehow a criminal? is that what you are saying?
I'm just going by the definition of theft:
- A person is guilty of theft, if he dishonestly appropriates property belonging to another with the intention of permanently depriving the other of it; and "thief" and "steal" shall be construed accordingly.
But in this case, nobody is being permanently deprived of something. It's being copied. So theft isn't really the case.
But I'm talking about "intent" here. THere is no intent of theft. There could potentially be "intent of enabling copying".
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@tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:
@dashrender said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:
@tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:
Intent of theft is illegal, because it "permanently depriving the other of it". In the case of piracy, this is not the case.
Where do you see that intent of pirating digital goods is illegal?3
This isn't the case, the case would then be "Intent of enabling piracy".
say what? Intent of theft - but not theft is a crime? So I intend to steal something from you.. but you're watching me to closely... so I don't steal from you.. but I'm still somehow a criminal? is that what you are saying?
I'm just going by the definition of theft:
- A person is guilty of theft, if he dishonestly appropriates property belonging to another with the intention of permanently depriving the other of it; and "thief" and "steal" shall be construed accordingly.
But in this case, nobody is being permanently deprived of something. It's being copied. So theft isn't really the case.
But I'm talking about "intent" here. THere is no intent of theft. There could potentially be "intent of enabling copying".
You don't have to have a permanent copy of something for it to be theft. This has been argued over and over again from many streaming services which stream music from artists without their consent.
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And in every case those streaming services are punished for providing content to which they don't have the right to provide.
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@dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:
FFS I can't find the topic, but it was on Spiceworks where a guy posted a question asking where he can find microsoft license keys for Windows Server, and everyone (except for Scott and myself) was claiming he should go to jail.
From a first world POV, you're right, he should go to jail.
Yet what is legal in his area of the world, is illegal here. We can't enable him to steal (our laws prevent us from helping or
beingwe would be punished for doing so).Yet his laws actively encourage/reward it.
FTFY
I seriously doubt his laws actively encourage it. They either don't have laws against it or they choose not to pursue the laws they have.
Not the same thing at all.
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@dashrender said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:
@dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:
FFS I can't find the topic, but it was on Spiceworks where a guy posted a question asking where he can find microsoft license keys for Windows Server, and everyone (except for Scott and myself) was claiming he should go to jail.
From a first world POV, you're right, he should go to jail.
Yet what is legal in his area of the world, is illegal here. We can't enable him to steal (our laws prevent us from helping or
beingwe would be punished for doing so).Yet his laws actively encourage/reward it.
FTFY
I seriously doubt his laws actively encourage it. They either don't have laws against it or they choose not to pursue the laws they have.
Not the same thing at all.
The lack of enforcement or lack of laws preventing it is the same as encouraging it.
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@tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:
@dashrender said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:
@tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:
Intent of theft is illegal, because it "permanently depriving the other of it". In the case of piracy, this is not the case.
Where do you see that intent of pirating digital goods is illegal?3
This isn't the case, the case would then be "Intent of enabling piracy".
say what? Intent of theft - but not theft is a crime? So I intend to steal something from you.. but you're watching me to closely... so I don't steal from you.. but I'm still somehow a criminal? is that what you are saying?
I'm just going by the definition of theft:
- A person is guilty of theft, if he dishonestly appropriates property belonging to another with the intention of permanently depriving the other of it; and "thief" and "steal" shall be construed accordingly.
Right, so intent to steal is not a crime, only stealing is a crime.
But in this case, nobody is being permanently deprived of something. It's being copied. So theft isn't really the case.
Well - there might be legal definitions of theft that cope for copy write theft.
But I'm talking about "intent" here. THere is no intent of theft. There could potentially be "intent of enabling copying".
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@dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:
And in every case those streaming services are punished for providing content to which they don't have the right to provide.
Just for the record - I'm not saying gaining access to streams that are meant for subscribers alone is not theft... I do believe that it is a form of theft.
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@dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:
@dashrender said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:
@dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:
FFS I can't find the topic, but it was on Spiceworks where a guy posted a question asking where he can find microsoft license keys for Windows Server, and everyone (except for Scott and myself) was claiming he should go to jail.
From a first world POV, you're right, he should go to jail.
Yet what is legal in his area of the world, is illegal here. We can't enable him to steal (our laws prevent us from helping or
beingwe would be punished for doing so).Yet his laws actively encourage/reward it.
FTFY
I seriously doubt his laws actively encourage it. They either don't have laws against it or they choose not to pursue the laws they have.
Not the same thing at all.
The lack of enforcement or lack of laws preventing it is the same as encouraging it.
OMG - no it is not!
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@dashrender said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:
@dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:
@dashrender said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:
@dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:
FFS I can't find the topic, but it was on Spiceworks where a guy posted a question asking where he can find microsoft license keys for Windows Server, and everyone (except for Scott and myself) was claiming he should go to jail.
From a first world POV, you're right, he should go to jail.
Yet what is legal in his area of the world, is illegal here. We can't enable him to steal (our laws prevent us from helping or
beingwe would be punished for doing so).Yet his laws actively encourage/reward it.
FTFY
I seriously doubt his laws actively encourage it. They either don't have laws against it or they choose not to pursue the laws they have.
Not the same thing at all.
The lack of enforcement or lack of laws preventing it is the same as encouraging it.
OMG - no it is not!
Paging @scottalanmiller
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@dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:
@dashrender said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:
@dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:
FFS I can't find the topic, but it was on Spiceworks where a guy posted a question asking where he can find microsoft license keys for Windows Server, and everyone (except for Scott and myself) was claiming he should go to jail.
From a first world POV, you're right, he should go to jail.
Yet what is legal in his area of the world, is illegal here. We can't enable him to steal (our laws prevent us from helping or
beingwe would be punished for doing so).Yet his laws actively encourage/reward it.
FTFY
I seriously doubt his laws actively encourage it. They either don't have laws against it or they choose not to pursue the laws they have.
Not the same thing at all.
The lack of enforcement or lack of laws preventing it is the same as encouraging it.
If this is true, then MS encourages people to steal Windows Server CALs because they barely enforce and certainly don't prevent you from just using them.
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@dashrender said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:
@dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:
@dashrender said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:
@dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:
FFS I can't find the topic, but it was on Spiceworks where a guy posted a question asking where he can find microsoft license keys for Windows Server, and everyone (except for Scott and myself) was claiming he should go to jail.
From a first world POV, you're right, he should go to jail.
Yet what is legal in his area of the world, is illegal here. We can't enable him to steal (our laws prevent us from helping or
beingwe would be punished for doing so).Yet his laws actively encourage/reward it.
FTFY
I seriously doubt his laws actively encourage it. They either don't have laws against it or they choose not to pursue the laws they have.
Not the same thing at all.
The lack of enforcement or lack of laws preventing it is the same as encouraging it.
If this is true, then MS encourages people to steal Windows Server CALs because they barely enforce and certainly don't prevent you from just using them.
The fuck they do, read the damn documentation.
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@dashrender said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:
@dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:
@dashrender said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:
@dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:
FFS I can't find the topic, but it was on Spiceworks where a guy posted a question asking where he can find microsoft license keys for Windows Server, and everyone (except for Scott and myself) was claiming he should go to jail.
From a first world POV, you're right, he should go to jail.
Yet what is legal in his area of the world, is illegal here. We can't enable him to steal (our laws prevent us from helping or
beingwe would be punished for doing so).Yet his laws actively encourage/reward it.
FTFY
I seriously doubt his laws actively encourage it. They either don't have laws against it or they choose not to pursue the laws they have.
Not the same thing at all.
The lack of enforcement or lack of laws preventing it is the same as encouraging it.
If this is true, then MS encourages people to steal Windows Server CALs because they barely enforce and certainly don't prevent you from just using them.
This statement is like saying Speed Limit Laws don't matter because Speed Limits Signs don't actually do anything to slow you down.
Sure they don't slow you down, the risk of penalty is what should slow you down!
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But Dragon Media argues that it is merely facilitating access to online content rather than providing pirated TV itself. "The entertainment industry for decades, even going back to Sony Betamax cases, have been fighting tooth and nail against innovation and technology and losing almost every single battle," Syverson said. "There is no reason for plaintiffs to be optimistic in any way."
"I remember a young company called YouTube whose business model was copyright infringement. It was sued, and it didn't turn out too badly for YouTube, did it?" Syverson also said. (Viacom sued YouTube in 2007, and the case was settled in 2014.)
"Generally speaking, linking to content online has been cleared by almost every court in the land," he said.
