DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright

RojoLoco

@dashrender said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@dashrender said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@scottalanmiller said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

Can a road be used for good? Yes
Can a road be used for crime? Yes

Can DragonBox be used legally? Yes
Can DragonBox be used illegally? Yes

Change out road with car. Same result.

It's the person committing the crime, not the object.

Let's take your example 1 step further.

Can a gun be used for good? Yes
Can a gun be used for bad? Yes

Can a gun kill a person? No
Can a person wielding a gun kill a person? Yes

If you make a gun easier to wield, then it's easier for people to be killed.

yet guns aren't illegal.

But selling stolen weapons is illegal!

NOT the same thing at all.

Nothing inside the DragonBox is illegal. Not one thing (that we know of).

That box might be full of heroin, you don't know!

Dashrender

@rojoloco said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@dashrender said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@dashrender said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@scottalanmiller said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

Can a road be used for good? Yes
Can a road be used for crime? Yes

Can DragonBox be used legally? Yes
Can DragonBox be used illegally? Yes

Change out road with car. Same result.

It's the person committing the crime, not the object.

Let's take your example 1 step further.

Can a gun be used for good? Yes
Can a gun be used for bad? Yes

Can a gun kill a person? No
Can a person wielding a gun kill a person? Yes

If you make a gun easier to wield, then it's easier for people to be killed.

yet guns aren't illegal.

But selling stolen weapons is illegal!

NOT the same thing at all.

Nothing inside the DragonBox is illegal. Not one thing (that we know of).

That box might be full of heroin, you don't know!

LOL - that would be one hell of a deal if it's full of herion.. lol

DustinB3403

@jaredbusch said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@dashrender said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@scottalanmiller said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

Can a road be used for good? Yes
Can a road be used for crime? Yes

Can DragonBox be used legally? Yes
Can DragonBox be used illegally? Yes

Change out road with car. Same result.

It's the person committing the crime, not the object.

Let's take your example 1 step further.

Can a gun be used for good? Yes
Can a gun be used for bad? Yes

Can a gun kill a person? No
Can a person wielding a gun kill a person? Yes

If you make a gun easier to wield, then it's easier for people to be killed.

yet guns aren't illegal.

But selling stolen weapons is illegal!

Not relevant. You are conflating shit worse than @Dashrender usually does.

Okay, here.

Stealing guns and selling them is illegal. Providing a channel on which to sell illegal weapons (stolen weapons) is also illegal.

ffs

DustinB3403

@dashrender said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@rojoloco said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@dashrender said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@dashrender said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@scottalanmiller said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

Can a road be used for good? Yes
Can a road be used for crime? Yes

Can DragonBox be used legally? Yes
Can DragonBox be used illegally? Yes

Change out road with car. Same result.

It's the person committing the crime, not the object.

Let's take your example 1 step further.

Can a gun be used for good? Yes
Can a gun be used for bad? Yes

Can a gun kill a person? No
Can a person wielding a gun kill a person? Yes

If you make a gun easier to wield, then it's easier for people to be killed.

yet guns aren't illegal.

But selling stolen weapons is illegal!

NOT the same thing at all.

Nothing inside the DragonBox is illegal. Not one thing (that we know of).

That box might be full of heroin, you don't know!

LOL - that would be one hell of a deal if it's full of herion.. lol

Herion is cheap, so not really a deal. Now if it was a few pounds of pure uncut cocaine. . .

Obsolesce

@dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@dashrender said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@scottalanmiller said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

Can a road be used for good? Yes
Can a road be used for crime? Yes

Can DragonBox be used legally? Yes
Can DragonBox be used illegally? Yes

Change out road with car. Same result.

It's the person committing the crime, not the object.

Let's take your example 1 step further.

Can a gun be used for good? Yes
Can a gun be used for bad? Yes

Can a gun kill a person? No
Can a person wielding a gun kill a person? Yes

If you make a gun easier to wield, then it's easier for people to be killed.

yet guns aren't illegal.

But selling stolen weapons is illegal!

Dragonbox isn't selling stolen content. Irrelevant.

DustinB3403

@tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@dashrender said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@scottalanmiller said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

Can a road be used for good? Yes
Can a road be used for crime? Yes

Can DragonBox be used legally? Yes
Can DragonBox be used illegally? Yes

Change out road with car. Same result.

It's the person committing the crime, not the object.

Let's take your example 1 step further.

Can a gun be used for good? Yes
Can a gun be used for bad? Yes

Can a gun kill a person? No
Can a person wielding a gun kill a person? Yes

If you make a gun easier to wield, then it's easier for people to be killed.

yet guns aren't illegal.

But selling stolen weapons is illegal!

Dragonbox isn't selling stolen content. Irrelevant.

You're right, its selling easy access to stolen content.

Obsolesce

@rojoloco said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@dashrender said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@dashrender said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@scottalanmiller said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

Can a road be used for good? Yes
Can a road be used for crime? Yes

Can DragonBox be used legally? Yes
Can DragonBox be used illegally? Yes

Change out road with car. Same result.

It's the person committing the crime, not the object.

Let's take your example 1 step further.

Can a gun be used for good? Yes
Can a gun be used for bad? Yes

Can a gun kill a person? No
Can a person wielding a gun kill a person? Yes

If you make a gun easier to wield, then it's easier for people to be killed.

yet guns aren't illegal.

But selling stolen weapons is illegal!

NOT the same thing at all.

Nothing inside the DragonBox is illegal. Not one thing (that we know of).

That box might be full of heroin, you don't know!

Maybe in your house!

Obsolesce

@dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@dashrender said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@scottalanmiller said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

Can a road be used for good? Yes
Can a road be used for crime? Yes

Can DragonBox be used legally? Yes
Can DragonBox be used illegally? Yes

Change out road with car. Same result.

It's the person committing the crime, not the object.

Let's take your example 1 step further.

Can a gun be used for good? Yes
Can a gun be used for bad? Yes

Can a gun kill a person? No
Can a person wielding a gun kill a person? Yes

If you make a gun easier to wield, then it's easier for people to be killed.

yet guns aren't illegal.

But selling stolen weapons is illegal!

Dragonbox isn't selling stolen content. Irrelevant.

You're right, its selling easy access to stolen content.

No, it's no more easy access than Windows or Ubuntu provides, or uTorrent or whatever.

But easy access isn't stealing.

Obsolesce

Gun shops are legal, easy-access to guns.

DustinB3403

@tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@dashrender said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@scottalanmiller said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

Can a road be used for good? Yes
Can a road be used for crime? Yes

Can DragonBox be used legally? Yes
Can DragonBox be used illegally? Yes

Change out road with car. Same result.

It's the person committing the crime, not the object.

Let's take your example 1 step further.

Can a gun be used for good? Yes
Can a gun be used for bad? Yes

Can a gun kill a person? No
Can a person wielding a gun kill a person? Yes

If you make a gun easier to wield, then it's easier for people to be killed.

yet guns aren't illegal.

But selling stolen weapons is illegal!

Dragonbox isn't selling stolen content. Irrelevant.

You're right, its selling easy access to stolen content.

No, it's no more easy access than Windows or Ubuntu provides, or uTorrent or whatever.

Really, no more easy? Find me a PPV UFC fight tonight in 4K HD that I can easily just click "play" and not need to do anything else.

Dashrender

@dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@dashrender said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@scottalanmiller said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

Can a road be used for good? Yes
Can a road be used for crime? Yes

Can DragonBox be used legally? Yes
Can DragonBox be used illegally? Yes

Change out road with car. Same result.

It's the person committing the crime, not the object.

Let's take your example 1 step further.

Can a gun be used for good? Yes
Can a gun be used for bad? Yes

Can a gun kill a person? No
Can a person wielding a gun kill a person? Yes

If you make a gun easier to wield, then it's easier for people to be killed.

yet guns aren't illegal.

But selling stolen weapons is illegal!

Dragonbox isn't selling stolen content. Irrelevant.

You're right, its selling easy access to stolen content.

And that is not illegal.

Obsolesce

@dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@dashrender said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@scottalanmiller said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

Can a road be used for good? Yes
Can a road be used for crime? Yes

Can DragonBox be used legally? Yes
Can DragonBox be used illegally? Yes

Change out road with car. Same result.

It's the person committing the crime, not the object.

Let's take your example 1 step further.

Can a gun be used for good? Yes
Can a gun be used for bad? Yes

Can a gun kill a person? No
Can a person wielding a gun kill a person? Yes

If you make a gun easier to wield, then it's easier for people to be killed.

yet guns aren't illegal.

But selling stolen weapons is illegal!

Dragonbox isn't selling stolen content. Irrelevant.

You're right, its selling easy access to stolen content.

No, it's no more easy access than Windows or Ubuntu provides, or uTorrent or whatever.

Really, no more easy? Find me a PPV UFC fight tonight in 4K HD that I can easily just click "play" and not need to do anything else.

No, that would be illegal.

DustinB3403

@tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

Gun shops are legal, easy-access to guns.

Gun shops have to perform background checks (at least in the US). So not as easy as just stealing all of the guns from the gun shop!

Obsolesce

@dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

Gun shops are legal, easy-access to guns.

Gun shops have to perform background checks (at least in the US). So not as easy as just stealing all of the guns from the gun shop!

Irrelevant.

DustinB3403

@tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@dashrender said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@scottalanmiller said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

Can a road be used for good? Yes
Can a road be used for crime? Yes

Can DragonBox be used legally? Yes
Can DragonBox be used illegally? Yes

Change out road with car. Same result.

It's the person committing the crime, not the object.

Let's take your example 1 step further.

Can a gun be used for good? Yes
Can a gun be used for bad? Yes

Can a gun kill a person? No
Can a person wielding a gun kill a person? Yes

If you make a gun easier to wield, then it's easier for people to be killed.

yet guns aren't illegal.

But selling stolen weapons is illegal!

Dragonbox isn't selling stolen content. Irrelevant.

You're right, its selling easy access to stolen content.

No, it's no more easy access than Windows or Ubuntu provides, or uTorrent or whatever.

Really, no more easy? Find me a PPV UFC fight tonight in 4K HD that I can easily just click "play" and not need to do anything else.

No, that would be illegal.

That is what this box offers.

So where is your argument here?

DustinB3403

@tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

Gun shops are legal, easy-access to guns.

Gun shops have to perform background checks (at least in the US). So not as easy as just stealing all of the guns from the gun shop!

Irrelevant.

Not at all irrelevant. You're stating its OK to do one thing, but not the other and the reversing the statement in the following post.

FFS

Obsolesce

@dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@dashrender said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@scottalanmiller said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

Can a road be used for good? Yes
Can a road be used for crime? Yes

Can DragonBox be used legally? Yes
Can DragonBox be used illegally? Yes

Change out road with car. Same result.

It's the person committing the crime, not the object.

Let's take your example 1 step further.

Can a gun be used for good? Yes
Can a gun be used for bad? Yes

Can a gun kill a person? No
Can a person wielding a gun kill a person? Yes

If you make a gun easier to wield, then it's easier for people to be killed.

yet guns aren't illegal.

But selling stolen weapons is illegal!

Dragonbox isn't selling stolen content. Irrelevant.

You're right, its selling easy access to stolen content.

No, it's no more easy access than Windows or Ubuntu provides, or uTorrent or whatever.

Really, no more easy? Find me a PPV UFC fight tonight in 4K HD that I can easily just click "play" and not need to do anything else.

No, that would be illegal.

That is what this box offers.

So where is your argument here?

Many things offer that... the ease of which things can happen doesn't matter.

DustinB3403

@tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@dashrender said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@scottalanmiller said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

Can a road be used for good? Yes
Can a road be used for crime? Yes

Can DragonBox be used legally? Yes
Can DragonBox be used illegally? Yes

Change out road with car. Same result.

It's the person committing the crime, not the object.

Let's take your example 1 step further.

Can a gun be used for good? Yes
Can a gun be used for bad? Yes

Can a gun kill a person? No
Can a person wielding a gun kill a person? Yes

If you make a gun easier to wield, then it's easier for people to be killed.

yet guns aren't illegal.

But selling stolen weapons is illegal!

Dragonbox isn't selling stolen content. Irrelevant.

You're right, its selling easy access to stolen content.

No, it's no more easy access than Windows or Ubuntu provides, or uTorrent or whatever.

Really, no more easy? Find me a PPV UFC fight tonight in 4K HD that I can easily just click "play" and not need to do anything else.

No, that would be illegal.

That is what this box offers.

So where is your argument here?

Many things offer that... the ease of which things can happen doesn't matter.

Yes it does. The ease is what makes this worth bringing to court. It's the ease of theft on potentially very massive scales that have businesses suing.

DustinB3403

@tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@dashrender said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@scottalanmiller said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

Can a road be used for good? Yes
Can a road be used for crime? Yes

Can DragonBox be used legally? Yes
Can DragonBox be used illegally? Yes

Change out road with car. Same result.

It's the person committing the crime, not the object.

Let's take your example 1 step further.

Can a gun be used for good? Yes
Can a gun be used for bad? Yes

Can a gun kill a person? No
Can a person wielding a gun kill a person? Yes

If you make a gun easier to wield, then it's easier for people to be killed.

yet guns aren't illegal.

But selling stolen weapons is illegal!

Dragonbox isn't selling stolen content. Irrelevant.

You're right, its selling easy access to stolen content.

No, it's no more easy access than Windows or Ubuntu provides, or uTorrent or whatever.

Really, no more easy? Find me a PPV UFC fight tonight in 4K HD that I can easily just click "play" and not need to do anything else.

No, that would be illegal.

That is what this box offers.

So where is your argument here?

Many things offer that... the ease of which things can happen doesn't matter.

The offset to this is that the box maker is selling a product, and has almost certainly shown the intention of enabling people to steal.

That is the issue. Any conflation of that fact is just putting rose colored glasses on.

Obsolesce

@dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@dashrender said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@dustinb3403 said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@tim_g said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

@scottalanmiller said in DragonBox, Streaming Services, and Copyright:

Can a road be used for good? Yes
Can a road be used for crime? Yes

Can DragonBox be used legally? Yes
Can DragonBox be used illegally? Yes

Change out road with car. Same result.

It's the person committing the crime, not the object.

Let's take your example 1 step further.

Can a gun be used for good? Yes
Can a gun be used for bad? Yes

Can a gun kill a person? No
Can a person wielding a gun kill a person? Yes

If you make a gun easier to wield, then it's easier for people to be killed.

yet guns aren't illegal.

But selling stolen weapons is illegal!

Dragonbox isn't selling stolen content. Irrelevant.

You're right, its selling easy access to stolen content.

No, it's no more easy access than Windows or Ubuntu provides, or uTorrent or whatever.

Really, no more easy? Find me a PPV UFC fight tonight in 4K HD that I can easily just click "play" and not need to do anything else.

No, that would be illegal.

That is what this box offers.

So where is your argument here?

Many things offer that... the ease of which things can happen doesn't matter.

Yes it does. The ease is what makes this worth bringing to court. It's the ease of theft on potentially very massive scales that have businesses suing.

Again, the box doesn't do anything illegal until YOU tell it to. You can also tell it to NOT do illegal things.

That they are marketing it to criminals isn't illegal either. Nothing they are actually doing is illegal. Nothing at all, until a criminal manually makes/tells it to.