What Are You Doing Right Now
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its the 3:00 pm slump but I can't afford to be lazy since I'm putting out fires. Thankfully it activated my trap card, "time for coffee".
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Leaving in 22 minutes. We are randomly playing D&D tonight because someone can't make it later on in the week. I am very tired. My RP may be weak tonight.
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@thwr said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@thwr said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@thwr said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Can't wait for tomorrow. Will order a bunch of UBNT EdgeMax switches, AC Pro APs and and an EdgeRouter Infinity. Complete network revamp.
@JaredBusch brow beat me into not ordering AC Pros - they really didn't' make sense for my environment. Saved me over $500.
In favor of? AC Lite?
yes, UAP AC Lite. Maxes at 800 Mb/s vs 1.2 Gb/s but my switches max at 1 Gb/s and I have very little need for 1.2 Gb/s inhouse to local servers.
I see what you mean, and already thought so too. It's just dedicated budget that would be lost otherwise
Stop right there - as IT, it's our job to do what's right for the business, which is always saving money.
and we want to try some things with high bandwith streaming.
Now with this, OK, if this extra bandwidth is actually useful (where are you streaming from? will it not be saturated before this pipe is?), then sure, the extra spend is worthwhile.
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@dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@thwr said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@thwr said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@thwr said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Can't wait for tomorrow. Will order a bunch of UBNT EdgeMax switches, AC Pro APs and and an EdgeRouter Infinity. Complete network revamp.
@JaredBusch brow beat me into not ordering AC Pros - they really didn't' make sense for my environment. Saved me over $500.
In favor of? AC Lite?
yes, UAP AC Lite. Maxes at 800 Mb/s vs 1.2 Gb/s but my switches max at 1 Gb/s and I have very little need for 1.2 Gb/s inhouse to local servers.
I see what you mean, and already thought so too. It's just dedicated budget that would be lost otherwise
Stop right there - as IT, it's our job to do what's right for the business, which is always saving money.
Ever worked in the same sector? It's all or nothing.
and we want to try some things with high bandwith streaming.
Now with this, OK, if this extra bandwidth is actually useful (where are you streaming from? will it not be saturated before this pipe is?), then sure, the extra spend is worthwhile.
The pipe can't deliver the full bandwith, but we may be able to saturate 1GBit/s. The source does not exist yet. -
@thwr said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Ever worked in the same sector? It's all or nothing.
I don't follow - if you don't spend all of your budget, they will slash the budget to zero the next year? Wow - those people clearly don't know how to run a business.
As many issues as I have with our budget process, at least it's got non of the spend it or loose it issues.
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@dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@thwr said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Ever worked in the same sector? It's all or nothing.
I don't follow - if you don't spend all of your budget, they will slash the budget to zero the next year? Wow - those people clearly don't know how to run a business.
As many issues as I have with our budget process, at least it's got non of the spend it or loose it issues.
It just a dedicated small budget for this specific purpose.
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@dashrender What happens: you dont spend all your budget, your budget is reduced to what you did spend. You dont spend all that, your budget is reduced. Then you actually need money to do something, and you dont have enough budget.
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@dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@thwr said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Ever worked in the same sector? It's all or nothing.
I don't follow - if you don't spend all of your budget, they will slash the budget to zero the next year? Wow - those people clearly don't know how to run a business.
As many issues as I have with our budget process, at least it's got non of the spend it or loose it issues.
Plus there's still a benefit in using the AC Pro's vs AC Lite. 20% more usable bandwith, in theory.
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@momurda said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dashrender What happens: you dont spend all your budget, your budget is reduced to what you did spend. You dont spend all that, your budget is reduced. Then you actually need money to do something, and you dont have enough budget.
And that is just a crazy way for any company to exist. There are years of eff and flow.
I have a great example for you. I have 80 laptops, at least 40 of them are 3 years old, 30 of them are 4+ and the rest are younger than 2. I am prepping my boss to spend replacement for 50 laptops next year since 40 will be 4+ and 30 will be 5+... but - we will only replace them as they fail. So we might get lucky and not spend one penny on them.
So you're telling me that since I didn't waste money and replace them early, before they needed replacing... that I won't be able to replace them next year if they fail? ridiculous.
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@thwr said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@thwr said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Ever worked in the same sector? It's all or nothing.
I don't follow - if you don't spend all of your budget, they will slash the budget to zero the next year? Wow - those people clearly don't know how to run a business.
As many issues as I have with our budget process, at least it's got non of the spend it or loose it issues.
Plus there's still a benefit in using the AC Pro's vs AC Lite. 20% more usable bandwith, in theory.
And I already said - IF the 20% additional bandwidth is usable, then by all means - buy them if they make sense. But don't buy them just because - that's a waste of money. If you were a public company (maybe you are) that would be financial recklessness - the shareholders could sue for waste (granted this is so small in the grand scheme they'd never know).. .but you see my point I hope.
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@dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@thwr said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@thwr said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Ever worked in the same sector? It's all or nothing.
I don't follow - if you don't spend all of your budget, they will slash the budget to zero the next year? Wow - those people clearly don't know how to run a business.
As many issues as I have with our budget process, at least it's got non of the spend it or loose it issues.
Plus there's still a benefit in using the AC Pro's vs AC Lite. 20% more usable bandwith, in theory.
And I already said - IF the 20% additional bandwidth is usable, then by all means - buy them if they make sense. But don't buy them just because - that's a waste of money. If you were a public company (maybe you are) that would be financial recklessness - the shareholders could sue for waste (granted this is so small in the grand scheme they'd never know).. .but you see my point I hope.
Sure, I do see your point. Public EDU, btw. In every other case I would have ordered the AC LITE, but like I said, there's a valid - albeit small - use case. Just big enough to justify the Pro instead of the LITE.
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@dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
So you're telling me that since I didn't waste money and replace them early, before they needed replacing... that I won't be able to replace them next year if they fail? ridiculous.
That's reality mate. Not good, not what I like, but it's a real thing.
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@thwr said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
So you're telling me that since I didn't waste money and replace them early, before they needed replacing... that I won't be able to replace them next year if they fail? ridiculous.
That's reality mate. Not good, not what I like, but it's a real thing.
Well, we know corruption when we see it, don't we?
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@dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@thwr said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
So you're telling me that since I didn't waste money and replace them early, before they needed replacing... that I won't be able to replace them next year if they fail? ridiculous.
That's reality mate. Not good, not what I like, but it's a real thing.
Well, we know corruption when we see it, don't we?
Corruption? No. It's more about how your financial department runs your business. We're in fact controlled by two other gov agencies to avoid anything unnecessary or unjustified.
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@thwr said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@thwr said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
So you're telling me that since I didn't waste money and replace them early, before they needed replacing... that I won't be able to replace them next year if they fail? ridiculous.
That's reality mate. Not good, not what I like, but it's a real thing.
Well, we know corruption when we see it, don't we?
Corruption? No. It's more about how your financial department runs your business. We're in fact controlled by two other gov agencies to avoid anything unnecessary or unjustified.
Well, we know that's not right - because then they wouldn't run a use it or loose it budget style.. they would budget for what you really need. A use it or loose it budget is for lazy people not doing their jobs, etc. The corruption comes from them not doing their jobs.. not them trying to steal money or pay off their friends, but not doing the job they are paid for to ensure the business is spending when and were needed, not just sticking to some arbitrary budget.
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@thwr said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@thwr said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
So you're telling me that since I didn't waste money and replace them early, before they needed replacing... that I won't be able to replace them next year if they fail? ridiculous.
That's reality mate. Not good, not what I like, but it's a real thing.
Well, we know corruption when we see it, don't we?
Corruption? No. It's more about how your financial department runs your business. We're in fact controlled by two other gov agencies to avoid anything unnecessary or unjustified.
Actually, it's the opposite. They are pushing you to waste money.
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@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@thwr said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@thwr said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
So you're telling me that since I didn't waste money and replace them early, before they needed replacing... that I won't be able to replace them next year if they fail? ridiculous.
That's reality mate. Not good, not what I like, but it's a real thing.
Well, we know corruption when we see it, don't we?
Corruption? No. It's more about how your financial department runs your business. We're in fact controlled by two other gov agencies to avoid anything unnecessary or unjustified.
Actually, it's the opposite. They are pushing you to waste money.
It is a complete waste of resources in my opinion as well. I work for public edu as well so I have the same dumb budget management that @thwr has.
I really don't understand why public money must be handled that way and why people think it is the best way to show transparency for money usage.
- Budget created and asked for accountants without IT input
- Budget created usually between Oct - Dec of the previous year.
- Budget must last the whole year and must be completely used or risk getting a smaller amount next year.
- Because the budget must last the whole year, most buys are rushed on the last months in order to utilize the whole budget not really taking into account real business requirements. Must of the stuff is never actually used by IT.
This would never be allowed on private companies, why is is allowed on public ones, at least for my country I must agree with @Dashrender CORRUPTION no other way to call it in my book.
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@romo said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
I really don't understand why public money must be handled that way and why people think it is the best way to show transparency for money usage.
You sound like you work down this way.
The money is handled this way out of fear. Fear that someone will ask a question.
- Budget created and asked for accountants without IT input
Our budget is done by my manager but what he gets is usually half what we actually need, as in there's little room for anything but paying staff.
- Budget created usually between Oct - Dec of the previous year.
Budget season for the EDU sector runs on the academic year... which makes it easier for the school/college BUT is completely stupid when the government budget changes HALFWAY through the year. You though you had enough for that shiny new kit in August? HA! Not anymore, other departments need that money. No kit for you!
I will admit that it's nice to tell cold calling vendors to get stuffed, especially during April-May because budget season is not yet upon us... not that we could afford what they're pushing.- Budget must last the whole year and must be completely used or risk getting a smaller amount next year.
^ this annoys me greatly. You get a kick ass deal and save a bucket of money and then get punished for it the following year.
OR you can't use $X from because unexpected issues (IT, college cash flow, $other) mean you can't shell out for something, getting to close to end of year shutdown and well, you didn't use all your $$. "Clearly you don't need that much $ in your budget, you greedy IT SOBs".Also, smaller budget makes the place look more efficient... mmmhmmm, I'll be right over here with the auditors report.
- Because the budget must last the whole year, most buys are rushed on the last months in order to utilize the whole budget not really taking into account real business requirements. Must of the stuff is never actually used by IT.
Yeah, had similar stuff happen. We budgeted for X PC's to be replaced in the first half of the year and Y in the last half of the year. Director says "Nope. We need the $ elsewhere.
This would never be allowed on private companies, why is is allowed on public ones, at least for my country I must agree with @Dashrender CORRUPTION no other way to call it in my book.
I'd say that it happens... they're just sneakier about it.
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@romo said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
This would never be allowed on private companies, why is is allowed on public ones, at least for my country I must agree with @Dashrender CORRUPTION no other way to call it in my book.
In the US, at least, a publicly traded company could be sued for doing this by its investors. It's called a breach of fiduciary responsibility. For the government to do it means that they have breached their trust of the public. That they actually require the government to do something considered unethical and literally illegal in private (but publicly traded) business, in unthinkable. Obviously the government knows that it exists only for enabling criminal activities, but they know that no one will call them out on it.
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Wow, easy guys. It's still me. I've not been around here for a couple of months (for a very good reason), but you all know me well enough.
a) I've applied for the budget in the first hand. It's NOT a yearly budget. It's a special one-time project budget.
b) I could have asked for way more and go for Cisco or whatever. But I choosed UBNT? Why? Because they are awesome and very affordable, as we all know. Using other well known vendors would have driven the costs... What? 5 times up? 10 times? Even more?
c) no secret: I'm still no - and will never be - a native English speaker. Keep that in mind, it's not always easy to explain things especially in topics such as business finances. I guess you got something wrong here.
So, please, think a second before using a words like "corruption" or bad ethic habits.
