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    • bigbearB
      bigbear @scottalanmiller
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      @scottalanmiller said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:

      @bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:

      I also always thought NN was bullshit, based on speculation and phantom issues that did not exist. More specific legislation could have addressed issued like throttling, one of the guises the NN supporters used to bring this into effect. It just wasnt a well crafted law, and was widely open to the kind of abuse that would reduce competition.

      There is no system for competition today. They could have retained NN and fixed these things. Removing NN is the issue, failing to fix the other things is an issue, using repealing NN under the excuse of the other things is an issue.

      NN didn’t add competition. And on the agenda Pai is looking to add legislation to donjust that.

      On your other comment, I’m not saying one is bad and the other worst. Pai looks like Batman to me and Wheeler like the Joker.

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      • bigbearB
        bigbear @scottalanmiller
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        @scottalanmiller said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:

        @bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:

        I also always thought NN was bullshit, based on speculation and phantom issues that did not exist. More specific legislation could have addressed issued like throttling, one of the guises the NN supporters used to bring this into effect. It just wasnt a well crafted law, and was widely open to the kind of abuse that would reduce competition.

        There is no system for competition today. They could have retained NN and fixed these things. Removing NN is the issue, failing to fix the other things is an issue, using repealing NN under the excuse of the other things is an issue.

        Consider the way TMobile could have been limited by NN with their unlimited streaming offering that Pai supporter and gave the green light on in Feb.

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        • scottalanmillerS
          scottalanmiller @bigbear
          last edited by

          @bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:

          @scottalanmiller said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:

          @bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:

          I also always thought NN was bullshit, based on speculation and phantom issues that did not exist. More specific legislation could have addressed issued like throttling, one of the guises the NN supporters used to bring this into effect. It just wasnt a well crafted law, and was widely open to the kind of abuse that would reduce competition.

          There is no system for competition today. They could have retained NN and fixed these things. Removing NN is the issue, failing to fix the other things is an issue, using repealing NN under the excuse of the other things is an issue.

          NN didn’t add competition. And on the agenda Pai is looking to add legislation to donjust that.

          On your other comment, I’m not saying one is bad and the other worst. Pai looks like Batman to me and Wheeler like the Joker.

          I don't care if it added competition. I'm saying that competition is a red herring. What I can about is NN, not competition.

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          • scottalanmillerS
            scottalanmiller @bigbear
            last edited by scottalanmiller

            @bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:

            @scottalanmiller said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:

            @bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:

            I also always thought NN was bullshit, based on speculation and phantom issues that did not exist. More specific legislation could have addressed issued like throttling, one of the guises the NN supporters used to bring this into effect. It just wasnt a well crafted law, and was widely open to the kind of abuse that would reduce competition.

            There is no system for competition today. They could have retained NN and fixed these things. Removing NN is the issue, failing to fix the other things is an issue, using repealing NN under the excuse of the other things is an issue.

            Consider the way TMobile could have been limited by NN with their unlimited streaming offering that Pai supporter and gave the green light on in Feb.

            What do you mean? It SHOULD have been limited. It's a bad thing.

            You are proving my point as to things he is doing wrong and how he isn't acting on behalf of the country.

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            • bigbearB
              bigbear @scottalanmiller
              last edited by bigbear

              @scottalanmiller said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:

              @bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:

              @scottalanmiller said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:

              @bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:

              I also always thought NN was bullshit, based on speculation and phantom issues that did not exist. More specific legislation could have addressed issued like throttling, one of the guises the NN supporters used to bring this into effect. It just wasnt a well crafted law, and was widely open to the kind of abuse that would reduce competition.

              There is no system for competition today. They could have retained NN and fixed these things. Removing NN is the issue, failing to fix the other things is an issue, using repealing NN under the excuse of the other things is an issue.

              NN didn’t add competition. And on the agenda Pai is looking to add legislation to donjust that.

              On your other comment, I’m not saying one is bad and the other worst. Pai looks like Batman to me and Wheeler like the Joker.

              I don't care if it added competition. I'm saying that competition is a red herring. What I can about is NN, not competition.

              We need competition, infrastructure investment, franchise access to local infrastructure at a state level, all thugs Pai has been pushing out there for years. Wheeler has always shut it down.

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              • scottalanmillerS
                scottalanmiller @bigbear
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                @bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:

                I have been watching Pai, and have mostly been excited about what he says and what his plans are.

                Who cares what he says. The problem is with what he does. That's what is scary. People lie, but their actions are real.

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                • bigbearB
                  bigbear @scottalanmiller
                  last edited by

                  @scottalanmiller said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:

                  @bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:

                  @scottalanmiller said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:

                  @bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:

                  I also always thought NN was bullshit, based on speculation and phantom issues that did not exist. More specific legislation could have addressed issued like throttling, one of the guises the NN supporters used to bring this into effect. It just wasnt a well crafted law, and was widely open to the kind of abuse that would reduce competition.

                  There is no system for competition today. They could have retained NN and fixed these things. Removing NN is the issue, failing to fix the other things is an issue, using repealing NN under the excuse of the other things is an issue.

                  Consider the way TMobile could have been limited by NN with their unlimited streaming offering that Pai supporter and gave the green light on in Feb.

                  What do you mean? It SHOULD have been limited. It's a bad thing.

                  You are proving my point as to things he is doing wrong and how he isn't acting on behalf of the country.

                  It’s the equivalent of price fixing. I disagree. Everyone could offer the same thing.

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                  • scottalanmillerS
                    scottalanmiller @bigbear
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                    @bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:

                    @scottalanmiller said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:

                    @bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:

                    @scottalanmiller said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:

                    @bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:

                    I also always thought NN was bullshit, based on speculation and phantom issues that did not exist. More specific legislation could have addressed issued like throttling, one of the guises the NN supporters used to bring this into effect. It just wasnt a well crafted law, and was widely open to the kind of abuse that would reduce competition.

                    There is no system for competition today. They could have retained NN and fixed these things. Removing NN is the issue, failing to fix the other things is an issue, using repealing NN under the excuse of the other things is an issue.

                    Consider the way TMobile could have been limited by NN with their unlimited streaming offering that Pai supporter and gave the green light on in Feb.

                    What do you mean? It SHOULD have been limited. It's a bad thing.

                    You are proving my point as to things he is doing wrong and how he isn't acting on behalf of the country.

                    It’s the equivalent of price fixing. I disagree. Everyone could offer the same thing.

                    It's not fixed pricing, it is prioritizing some services over others. The number two thing that I care about, after the ability to block things.

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                    • DashrenderD
                      Dashrender @bigbear
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                      @bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:

                      @scottalanmiller said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:

                      @bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:

                      I also always thought NN was bullshit, based on speculation and phantom issues that did not exist. More specific legislation could have addressed issued like throttling, one of the guises the NN supporters used to bring this into effect. It just wasnt a well crafted law, and was widely open to the kind of abuse that would reduce competition.

                      There is no system for competition today. They could have retained NN and fixed these things. Removing NN is the issue, failing to fix the other things is an issue, using repealing NN under the excuse of the other things is an issue.

                      NN didn’t add competition. And on the agenda Pai is looking to add legislation to donjust that.

                      On your other comment, I’m not saying one is bad and the other worst. Pai looks like Batman to me and Wheeler like the Joker.

                      Of course it didn't - it did give customers consumer protections that the lack of competition prevented them from getting.
                      i.e. an unthrottled connection to the internet for one.

                      If I pay for a 100/20 connection, why should you the ISP be allowed to slow content you don't like down?

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                      • DashrenderD
                        Dashrender @bigbear
                        last edited by

                        @bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:

                        @scottalanmiller said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:

                        @bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:

                        I also always thought NN was bullshit, based on speculation and phantom issues that did not exist. More specific legislation could have addressed issued like throttling, one of the guises the NN supporters used to bring this into effect. It just wasnt a well crafted law, and was widely open to the kind of abuse that would reduce competition.

                        There is no system for competition today. They could have retained NN and fixed these things. Removing NN is the issue, failing to fix the other things is an issue, using repealing NN under the excuse of the other things is an issue.

                        Consider the way TMobile could have been limited by NN with their unlimited streaming offering that Pai supporter and gave the green light on in Feb.

                        How would NN have affected TMobile? I honestly don't know how it would apply?

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                        • bigbearB
                          bigbear @Dashrender
                          last edited by

                          @dashrender said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:

                          @bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:

                          @scottalanmiller said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:

                          @bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:

                          I also always thought NN was bullshit, based on speculation and phantom issues that did not exist. More specific legislation could have addressed issued like throttling, one of the guises the NN supporters used to bring this into effect. It just wasnt a well crafted law, and was widely open to the kind of abuse that would reduce competition.

                          There is no system for competition today. They could have retained NN and fixed these things. Removing NN is the issue, failing to fix the other things is an issue, using repealing NN under the excuse of the other things is an issue.

                          NN didn’t add competition. And on the agenda Pai is looking to add legislation to donjust that.

                          On your other comment, I’m not saying one is bad and the other worst. Pai looks like Batman to me and Wheeler like the Joker.

                          Of course it didn't - it did give customers consumer protections that the lack of competition prevented them from getting.
                          i.e. an unthrottled connection to the internet for one.

                          If I pay for a 100/20 connection, why should you the ISP be allowed to slow content you don't like down?

                          A much simpler legislation was proposed by Pai and was denied. Now it’s going to get approved. He’s just clearing the path to take appropriate action.

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                          • scottalanmillerS
                            scottalanmiller
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                            I don't even think that they SHOULD be competition. ISP access should be nationalized. It's a utility and needs to be protected more than any other. It's the most at risk, the hardest to understand, and the most critical for protecting our freedoms and democracy.

                            All this other stuff, it might be nice, but I care about freedom of the Internet... and it has been revoked. As an American, private companies now OWN the right to determine what information I can receive.

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                            • scottalanmillerS
                              scottalanmiller @bigbear
                              last edited by

                              @bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:

                              @dashrender said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:

                              @bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:

                              @scottalanmiller said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:

                              @bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:

                              I also always thought NN was bullshit, based on speculation and phantom issues that did not exist. More specific legislation could have addressed issued like throttling, one of the guises the NN supporters used to bring this into effect. It just wasnt a well crafted law, and was widely open to the kind of abuse that would reduce competition.

                              There is no system for competition today. They could have retained NN and fixed these things. Removing NN is the issue, failing to fix the other things is an issue, using repealing NN under the excuse of the other things is an issue.

                              NN didn’t add competition. And on the agenda Pai is looking to add legislation to donjust that.

                              On your other comment, I’m not saying one is bad and the other worst. Pai looks like Batman to me and Wheeler like the Joker.

                              Of course it didn't - it did give customers consumer protections that the lack of competition prevented them from getting.
                              i.e. an unthrottled connection to the internet for one.

                              If I pay for a 100/20 connection, why should you the ISP be allowed to slow content you don't like down?

                              A much simpler legislation was proposed by Pai and was denied. Now it’s going to get approved. He’s just clearing the path to take appropriate action.

                              Unless that action ALREADY happened, that's speculation. What he did today is the concern.

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                              • scottalanmillerS
                                scottalanmiller @Dashrender
                                last edited by

                                @dashrender said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:

                                @bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:

                                @scottalanmiller said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:

                                @bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:

                                I also always thought NN was bullshit, based on speculation and phantom issues that did not exist. More specific legislation could have addressed issued like throttling, one of the guises the NN supporters used to bring this into effect. It just wasnt a well crafted law, and was widely open to the kind of abuse that would reduce competition.

                                There is no system for competition today. They could have retained NN and fixed these things. Removing NN is the issue, failing to fix the other things is an issue, using repealing NN under the excuse of the other things is an issue.

                                Consider the way TMobile could have been limited by NN with their unlimited streaming offering that Pai supporter and gave the green light on in Feb.

                                How would NN have affected TMobile? I honestly don't know how it would apply?

                                TMobile provides uneven access to the Internet. I like TMobile service, but I'm super unhappy about that stuff.

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                                • bigbearB
                                  bigbear @Dashrender
                                  last edited by

                                  @dashrender said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:

                                  @bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:

                                  @scottalanmiller said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:

                                  @bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:

                                  I also always thought NN was bullshit, based on speculation and phantom issues that did not exist. More specific legislation could have addressed issued like throttling, one of the guises the NN supporters used to bring this into effect. It just wasnt a well crafted law, and was widely open to the kind of abuse that would reduce competition.

                                  There is no system for competition today. They could have retained NN and fixed these things. Removing NN is the issue, failing to fix the other things is an issue, using repealing NN under the excuse of the other things is an issue.

                                  Consider the way TMobile could have been limited by NN with their unlimited streaming offering that Pai supporter and gave the green light on in Feb.

                                  How would NN have affected TMobile? I honestly don't know how it would apply?

                                  They wanted to offer free video streaming services to any video provider who would use the codec conversion to their wireless subscribers. Competitors cried foul play and used NN, Pai overruled then. That’s one of many reasons NN is gone. It’s not over through, just the beginning.

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                                  • scottalanmillerS
                                    scottalanmiller @Dashrender
                                    last edited by

                                    @dashrender said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:

                                    @bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:

                                    @scottalanmiller said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:

                                    @bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:

                                    I also always thought NN was bullshit, based on speculation and phantom issues that did not exist. More specific legislation could have addressed issued like throttling, one of the guises the NN supporters used to bring this into effect. It just wasnt a well crafted law, and was widely open to the kind of abuse that would reduce competition.

                                    There is no system for competition today. They could have retained NN and fixed these things. Removing NN is the issue, failing to fix the other things is an issue, using repealing NN under the excuse of the other things is an issue.

                                    NN didn’t add competition. And on the agenda Pai is looking to add legislation to donjust that.

                                    On your other comment, I’m not saying one is bad and the other worst. Pai looks like Batman to me and Wheeler like the Joker.

                                    Of course it didn't - it did give customers consumer protections that the lack of competition prevented them from getting.
                                    i.e. an unthrottled connection to the internet for one.

                                    If I pay for a 100/20 connection, why should you the ISP be allowed to slow content you don't like down?

                                    Right, it was dealing with reality... in the real world we don't have competition for utilities. NN protected us so that we kept ourselves free as a country.

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                                    • bigbearB
                                      bigbear @scottalanmiller
                                      last edited by

                                      @scottalanmiller said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:

                                      @dashrender said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:

                                      @bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:

                                      @scottalanmiller said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:

                                      @bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:

                                      I also always thought NN was bullshit, based on speculation and phantom issues that did not exist. More specific legislation could have addressed issued like throttling, one of the guises the NN supporters used to bring this into effect. It just wasnt a well crafted law, and was widely open to the kind of abuse that would reduce competition.

                                      There is no system for competition today. They could have retained NN and fixed these things. Removing NN is the issue, failing to fix the other things is an issue, using repealing NN under the excuse of the other things is an issue.

                                      Consider the way TMobile could have been limited by NN with their unlimited streaming offering that Pai supporter and gave the green light on in Feb.

                                      How would NN have affected TMobile? I honestly don't know how it would apply?

                                      TMobile provides uneven access to the Internet. I like TMobile service, but I'm super unhappy about that stuff.

                                      But any provider was welcome to offer it this way, they just didn’t want to have that competition.

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                                      • scottalanmillerS
                                        scottalanmiller @bigbear
                                        last edited by

                                        @bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:

                                        @scottalanmiller said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:

                                        @dashrender said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:

                                        @bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:

                                        @scottalanmiller said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:

                                        @bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:

                                        I also always thought NN was bullshit, based on speculation and phantom issues that did not exist. More specific legislation could have addressed issued like throttling, one of the guises the NN supporters used to bring this into effect. It just wasnt a well crafted law, and was widely open to the kind of abuse that would reduce competition.

                                        There is no system for competition today. They could have retained NN and fixed these things. Removing NN is the issue, failing to fix the other things is an issue, using repealing NN under the excuse of the other things is an issue.

                                        Consider the way TMobile could have been limited by NN with their unlimited streaming offering that Pai supporter and gave the green light on in Feb.

                                        How would NN have affected TMobile? I honestly don't know how it would apply?

                                        TMobile provides uneven access to the Internet. I like TMobile service, but I'm super unhappy about that stuff.

                                        But any provider was welcome to offer it this way, they just didn’t want to have that competition.

                                        Right, all bad and all enabled by Pai's disregard for our freedoms. It's bad, just because they can all do it just shows the problem for what it is - the ability to control access to information for all of Americans.

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                                        • DashrenderD
                                          Dashrender
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                                          If we consider the internet like we consider power - would you consider it crazy for the power company to say - oh hey, yeah we don't like Sony.. so you can't use the power you get from us to power Sony gear..

                                          That's the same as saying that they don't like Netflix, so you get slow access, well below what YOU PAID FOR.

                                          Does that seem right to you?

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                                          • bigbearB
                                            bigbear @scottalanmiller
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                                            @scottalanmiller said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:

                                            @dashrender said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:

                                            @bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:

                                            @scottalanmiller said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:

                                            @bigbear said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:

                                            I also always thought NN was bullshit, based on speculation and phantom issues that did not exist. More specific legislation could have addressed issued like throttling, one of the guises the NN supporters used to bring this into effect. It just wasnt a well crafted law, and was widely open to the kind of abuse that would reduce competition.

                                            There is no system for competition today. They could have retained NN and fixed these things. Removing NN is the issue, failing to fix the other things is an issue, using repealing NN under the excuse of the other things is an issue.

                                            NN didn’t add competition. And on the agenda Pai is looking to add legislation to donjust that.

                                            On your other comment, I’m not saying one is bad and the other worst. Pai looks like Batman to me and Wheeler like the Joker.

                                            Of course it didn't - it did give customers consumer protections that the lack of competition prevented them from getting.
                                            i.e. an unthrottled connection to the internet for one.

                                            If I pay for a 100/20 connection, why should you the ISP be allowed to slow content you don't like down?

                                            Right, it was dealing with reality... in the real world we don't have competition for utilities. NN protected us so that we kept ourselves free as a country.

                                            Since it came into play NN has reduced infrastructure investment and only benefited big internet. It’s a ruse.

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