Small office phone setup, looking for improvements...
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@guyinpv said in Small office phone setup, looking for improvements...:
I want least amount of management needed by myself, it's all about stability and uptime. Ease of use for the people here, who are quite non-technical.
FreePBX would meet that need, assuming you have a server there already. Just pop it in a VM and set up. You can have this outsourced (I'm doing three right now, Jared does these every day.) Once it is set up, you can manage it yourself or outsource that too (same people do this.) It's a simple VM, very small, very few resources. Yours will be 100% internal so very secure and very simple. Like crazy simple. VM stability is really good. You can take backups, snapshot, reboot, move to another hardware kit, etc.
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@dashrender said in Small office phone setup, looking for improvements...:
@scottalanmiller said in Small office phone setup, looking for improvements...:
@guyinpv said in Small office phone setup, looking for improvements...:
If we can get new phones, better service, better controller, and keep our current phone service (for time being only with option of upgrading), for less than around $3000, that's doable, at least worth pitching to boss and landlord.
Your cost is all in the phones (and the bridge.) A cheap bridge is like $100 maybe? Mabye Jared has bought one recently that he would recommend. It's not a large item. How many POTS lines does it need to handle?
All of the real cost is the desk phones. These range from super cheap (under $40) to around $150 at the top end that you would ever consider. Most people buy somewhere in the middle. Obviously these add up quickly, but they are a one time cost and visibly replace ancient phones on desks.
This doesn't count the cost of building the PBX either though.. that would be another expense.
He can do that himself or pay for it. But it's a "pop in the ISO and step through it" process. Certainly something he can do himself. Especially with no WAN component.
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@scottalanmiller said in Small office phone setup, looking for improvements...:
@guyinpv said in Small office phone setup, looking for improvements...:
If we can get new phones, better service, better controller, and keep our current phone service (for time being only with option of upgrading), for less than around $3000, that's doable, at least worth pitching to boss and landlord.
Your cost is all in the phones (and the bridge.) A cheap bridge is like $100 maybe? Mabye Jared has bought one recently that he would recommend. It's not a large item. How many POTS lines does it need to handle?
All of the real cost is the desk phones. These range from super cheap (under $40) to around $150 at the top end that you would ever consider. Most people buy somewhere in the middle. Obviously these add up quickly, but they are a one time cost and visibly replace ancient phones on desks.
We would need 8 phones for people but at least 3 more for around the office. One as a cordless would be good.
Support for 4 lines, though only 2 are main voice lines, another is fax. 2 line phones would be sufficient for most of us I think.
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Another factor, and I'm not making any recommendations here, is that desk phones are great but not ubiquitous. For some users, you might just want a soft phone (software on the desktop.) This can be totally free and saves desk space. I do this myself and lots of people do. I'm not recommending this for everyone. But it is a new option you lacked before and a few rare phone users might want to go this way.
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@scottalanmiller said in Small office phone setup, looking for improvements...:
@dashrender said in Small office phone setup, looking for improvements...:
@scottalanmiller said in Small office phone setup, looking for improvements...:
@guyinpv said in Small office phone setup, looking for improvements...:
If we can get new phones, better service, better controller, and keep our current phone service (for time being only with option of upgrading), for less than around $3000, that's doable, at least worth pitching to boss and landlord.
Your cost is all in the phones (and the bridge.) A cheap bridge is like $100 maybe? Mabye Jared has bought one recently that he would recommend. It's not a large item. How many POTS lines does it need to handle?
All of the real cost is the desk phones. These range from super cheap (under $40) to around $150 at the top end that you would ever consider. Most people buy somewhere in the middle. Obviously these add up quickly, but they are a one time cost and visibly replace ancient phones on desks.
This doesn't count the cost of building the PBX either though.. that would be another expense.
He can do that himself or pay for it. But it's a "pop in the ISO and step through it" process. Certainly something he can do himself. Especially with no WAN component.
For a noob, it's easy to see this take someone 20+ hours to setup when you consider building the extensions, v-mail boxes, IVRs, etc, etc, etc.
This post is more for the OP. Not to scare you off, just something to be aware of.
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@scottalanmiller said in Small office phone setup, looking for improvements...:
Another factor, and I'm not making any recommendations here, is that desk phones are great but not ubiquitous. For some users, you might just want a soft phone (software on the desktop.) This can be totally free and saves desk space. I do this myself and lots of people do. I'm not recommending this for everyone. But it is a new option you lacked before and a few rare phone users might want to go this way.
But you should consider an headset for this situation.
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Setup and learning curve are important but not the main issue.
The main issue is just that it runs reliably. We do have a good server running Zen already.
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@dashrender said in Small office phone setup, looking for improvements...:
@scottalanmiller said in Small office phone setup, looking for improvements...:
Another factor, and I'm not making any recommendations here, is that desk phones are great but not ubiquitous. For some users, you might just want a soft phone (software on the desktop.) This can be totally free and saves desk space. I do this myself and lots of people do. I'm not recommending this for everyone. But it is a new option you lacked before and a few rare phone users might want to go this way.
But you should consider an headset for this situation.
Yes, definitely get a headset.
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@guyinpv said in Small office phone setup, looking for improvements...:
Setup and learning curve are important but not the main issue.
The main issue is just that it runs reliably. We do have a good server running Zen already.
Yup, there you go. Far better than some hardware appliance where you can't take a backup or do anything should something fail. Way more reliability and stability with an enterprise VM than a cheap appliance.
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@dashrender said in Small office phone setup, looking for improvements...:
@scottalanmiller said in Small office phone setup, looking for improvements...:
@dashrender said in Small office phone setup, looking for improvements...:
@scottalanmiller said in Small office phone setup, looking for improvements...:
@guyinpv said in Small office phone setup, looking for improvements...:
If we can get new phones, better service, better controller, and keep our current phone service (for time being only with option of upgrading), for less than around $3000, that's doable, at least worth pitching to boss and landlord.
Your cost is all in the phones (and the bridge.) A cheap bridge is like $100 maybe? Mabye Jared has bought one recently that he would recommend. It's not a large item. How many POTS lines does it need to handle?
All of the real cost is the desk phones. These range from super cheap (under $40) to around $150 at the top end that you would ever consider. Most people buy somewhere in the middle. Obviously these add up quickly, but they are a one time cost and visibly replace ancient phones on desks.
This doesn't count the cost of building the PBX either though.. that would be another expense.
He can do that himself or pay for it. But it's a "pop in the ISO and step through it" process. Certainly something he can do himself. Especially with no WAN component.
For a noob, it's easy to see this take someone 20+ hours to setup when you consider building the extensions, v-mail boxes, IVRs, etc, etc, etc.
This post is more for the OP. Not to scare you off, just something to be aware of.
All things that exist on the Avaya too and would need to be done on the new one.
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Ok, so 11 phones. you already have a server to host the PBX, you're nowhere near $3000 including a new switch with POE if that's what you really wanted to do
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@bnrstnr said in Small office phone setup, looking for improvements...:
Ok, so 11 phones. Do you have an onsite server with hypervisor installed?
Ya we have an R430 with a ton of unused RAM and HDD. My only beef with it is that I can't put it downstairs in the dusty pathetic little wiring closet/hole where the rest of the stuff is. It's upstairs in an office, plugged in through a little 6 port switch with all the rest of the stuff in that office.
It's been reliable enough, but not the LAN connection I would like it to have. -
Say 12 phones to be safe, go gang busters at $150. That's $1,800 tops. Go low end with $38 and 11 of them and ti is only $418.
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Here is a high end Sangoma gateway that handles four PSTN POTS connections. At $400, it might be perfect.
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Or $250 for a Grandstream
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@guyinpv said in Small office phone setup, looking for improvements...:
@bnrstnr said in Small office phone setup, looking for improvements...:
Ok, so 11 phones. Do you have an onsite server with hypervisor installed?
Ya we have an R430 with a ton of unused RAM and HDD. My only beef with it is that I can't put it downstairs in the dusty pathetic little wiring closet/hole where the rest of the stuff is. It's upstairs in an office, plugged in through a little 6 port switch with all the rest of the stuff in that office.
It's been reliable enough, but not the LAN connection I would like it to have.Take some of that budget to hire someone to run a new home run connection from that room to the switch downstairs if you can.
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@guyinpv said in Small office phone setup, looking for improvements...:
@bnrstnr said in Small office phone setup, looking for improvements...:
Ok, so 11 phones. Do you have an onsite server with hypervisor installed?
Ya we have an R430 with a ton of unused RAM and HDD. My only beef with it is that I can't put it downstairs in the dusty pathetic little wiring closet/hole where the rest of the stuff is. It's upstairs in an office, plugged in through a little 6 port switch with all the rest of the stuff in that office.
It's been reliable enough, but not the LAN connection I would like it to have.FreePBX needs less than 1GB of RAM and 20GB of disks is plenty and almost no CPU.
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@scottalanmiller said in Small office phone setup, looking for improvements...:
Or $250 for a Grandstream
He needs the GXW4108 not 4104.
But yeah I have the GXW4108 in production at a similar client with crap internet.
FreePBX 14
10 phones of your choice, I recommend the T42S by default or T46S for more visible buttons. Then one W52P wireless DECT phone. This gives you gigabit "pass though" to the desktop. You will need to buy power supplies for the phones. At $7 each. Or buy a POE switch.You can buy the T42G or T46G used to save money.
