Lenovo T470s vs X1 Carbon
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@scottalanmiller I couldn't work exclusively from Linux for a year. Too many applications I use don't run on it and I don't want to screw around with Wine. I just want to work - efficiently.
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@frodooftheshire said in Lenovo T470s vs X1 Carbon:
@scottalanmiller I couldn't work exclusively from Linux for a year. Too many applications I use don't run on it and I don't want to screw around with Wine. I just want to work - efficiently.
That's exactly why I switched to Linux. So much more efficient. What makes you have OS dependent tooling? IT tends to be pretty free of that. Or have really simple work arounds. Since WIndows administration is effectively totally transparent from Linux today, there is almost nothing left where OS tooling has any value.
But basically where you are is that you have OS specific apps chosen that have pre-determined your platform of choice - but you are then carrying this on to other decisions and impressions. Linux isn't hard, it's hard because you've designed your ecosystem around not being able to use it (intentionally or not.) That's a totally different thing. Its not that a Tesla isn't nicer than your Chevy, you just already bought the fuel for your Chevy.
I can switch to any OS and since I've been about 15+ years free of any OS specific tooling I can tell you, the different between Windows and Mac OSX is small, but to Mint or Korora, it's large. And if you keep testing with Ubuntu, you're avoiding seeing how good it gets.
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What's funny is that much of this conversation arose from how confusing Windows is and how difficult it is to support.
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A lot of my users have iPhones. On Windows & OSX they at least have the option to use iTunes (bleh) to backup/transfer/restore their devices. Some people don't want to pay for apples cloud storage. Tell me how I can accomplish this task on Linux without virtualization?
Are you saying that people that run Premeire/photoshop/illustrator/etc are just "limiting" themselves? Windows and OSX can run them fine. What about QuickBooks?
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@scottalanmiller Since I'm a one man show I'm guessing I handle a bigger variety of tasks than you do working for someone else. I handle graphic design/marketing/accounting/etc. All of these types of Apps - guess what - don't run on Linux.
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@frodooftheshire said in Lenovo T470s vs X1 Carbon:
Are you saying that people that run Premeire/photoshop/illustrator/etc are just "limiting" themselves? Windows and OSX can run them fine. What about QuickBooks?
No, I think you'll find that I called them power users for whom our discussion of grandparents did not apply. Or that our discussion of IT use did not apply. You keep moving the target. Now, in MANY cases, yes, those are applications specifically chosen when people do no research and just spend money haphazardly. Those are specifically examples of the software we find when people do foolhardy things. Do they have a place, yes. Commonly? 50/50 maybe.
Quickbooks obviously isn't included here and is not for power users or power businesses.
None of these apps apply to IT workers or home users. These are expensive power user apps (except QB) that require users being treated as power users.
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@frodooftheshire said in Lenovo T470s vs X1 Carbon:
@scottalanmiller Since I'm a one man show I'm guessing I handle a bigger variety of tasks than you do working for someone else. I handle graphic design/marketing/accounting/etc. All of these types of Apps - guess what - don't run on Linux.
I have all of those on my Linux
What made you choose expensive, OS specific versions? Did you audition alternatives? I do support a graphical media and advertising firm that has no such limitations. -
@scottalanmiller LOL we've entered crazy town.
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@scottalanmiller You have Premiere Pro CC on Linux? What about Illustrator? Photoshop? That's what everyone uses...at least professionally. I haven't met a single professional running open source software to do video editing. Never.
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@scottalanmiller What open source accounting software do you run? Will it tie in with my PSA solution like QuickBooks does?
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@frodooftheshire said in Lenovo T470s vs X1 Carbon:
@scottalanmiller What open source accounting software do you run? Will it tie in with my PSA solution like QuickBooks does?
Why use open source or care when really good enterprise systems are often free or cheap? Accounting is not a place to play games, of course open source might be better than QuickBooks. But it's things like Wave and Zero that often make more sense. If you are dealing with people on dial up or something, you might need to resort to a locally installed package. But accounting just isn't a product category where running your own servers makes sense.
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@frodooftheshire said in Lenovo T470s vs X1 Carbon:
@scottalanmiller You have Premiere Pro CC on Linux? What about Illustrator? Photoshop? That's what everyone uses...at least professionally. I haven't met a single professional running open source software to do video editing. Never.
I said professional shop. Your redefining professional as "people who use the software I'm trying to make a point about" doesn't make it so.
You know some studios use open source for video editing. You'll also note that I didn't introduce open source. Of course that's obviously sensible whenever all other things are equal. But you keep injecting points I didn't make.
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@scottalanmiller Xero doesn't even allow for dates for line items:
https://community.xero.com/business/discussion/78931That request was from 2012...it's 2017 and they still haven't implemented it. As much as I hate QuickBooks Xero is far behind.
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@frodooftheshire said in Lenovo T470s vs X1 Carbon:
@scottalanmiller You have Premiere Pro CC on Linux? What about Illustrator? Photoshop? That's what everyone uses...at least professionally. I haven't met a single professional running open source software to do video editing. Never.
I have, we have one here where I work.
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@scottalanmiller My point is that linux isn't for everyone. Neither is OSX. Neither is Windows. You seem to be arguing that most people could or should be running Linux. My problem with Linux is that it's very limited to common apps that people use on a day to day basis - for example - iTunes.
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@DustinB3403 I'm not saying that no professional has ever used open source software to cut video - I'm saying that no organization that specializes in video editing/production is running anything other than the following:
Avid, PP CC, Final Cut 7 or X, or Davinci Resolve, Edius, or Sony Vegas (very few..more consumer based.) -
@frodooftheshire said in Lenovo T470s vs X1 Carbon:
@DustinB3403 I'm not saying that no professional has ever used open source software to cut video - I'm saying that no organization that specializes in video editing/production is running anything other than the following:
Avid, PP CC, Final Cut 7 or X, or Davinci Resolve, Edius, or Sony Vegas (very view..more consumer based.)Clearly you are wrong here then. . .
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@DustinB3403 So tell me more about your setup then. What's your post production workflow look like.
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@frodooftheshire said in Lenovo T470s vs X1 Carbon:
@scottalanmiller My point is that linux isn't for everyone. Neither is OSX. Neither is Windows. You seem to be arguing that most people could or should be running Linux. My problem with Linux is that it's very limited to common apps that people use on a day to day basis - for example - iTunes.
No one runs Linux. People use Cent OS, RedHat, Ubuntu, Mint, Korora etc.
Use the correct terminology please.
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@frodooftheshire said in Lenovo T470s vs X1 Carbon:
@DustinB3403 So tell me more about your setup then. What's your post production workflow look like.
I'm not involved in the system at all, but I know we have a linux box for 3D design, and video work we do.
