Where Are You Running Nextcloud

scottalanmiller

@FATeknollogee said in Where Are You Running Nextcloud:

@FATeknollogee said in Where Are You Running Nextcloud:

Is there a good reason why I would not run this via VPS hosting? eg, A2 Hosting offers this via softaculous installs

Speed is a GREAT reason...

I uploaded 2 mp4 files ( 74 & 196 MB)
Vultr upload took 10 secs.
A2 upload took over 7 mins

Wow, that is quite the difference!

FATeknollogee

I will try it again just in case A2 was having a bad moment..
I did not expect to see that much of a difference

BRRABill

@FATeknollogee said in Where Are You Running Nextcloud:

I will try it again just in case A2 was having a bad moment..
I did not expect to see that much of a difference

Yeah I've found A2 to be pretty speedy, but I only host a website there.

FATeknollogee

Trying the A2 upload again......not looking very fast
I'm timing w stopwatch.

FATeknollogee

Still waiting...

That upload took 9:29

StrongBad

WTF. How is it that slow?

dafyre

@StrongBad said in Where Are You Running Nextcloud:

WTF. How is it that slow?

He's on a 150 meg/150 meg connection. It should upload a 150 meg file like that in a few seconds, not a few minutes.

StrongBad

@dafyre no kidding. That's ridiculous.

StuartJordan

I have mine hosted on my dedicated server as a VM with OVH.

guyinpv

@dafyre Just because an end user has that kind of bandwidth, doesn't mean any webhost or server provider is going to let one user consume that much just because they can. At any rate, that transfer speed was still really really slow, like measured in Kilobytes per second slow. It doesn't seem right.

FATeknollogee

@guyinpv said in Where Are You Running Nextcloud:

@dafyre Just because an end user has that kind of bandwidth, doesn't mean any webhost or server provider is going to let one user consume that much just because they can. At any rate, that transfer speed was still really really slow, like measured in Kilobytes per second slow. It doesn't seem right.

How is that relevant to the issue at hand?
Is Vultr not considered a webhost/server provider?

guyinpv

@FATeknollogee

Cause it's what others were talking about first? A2 was the slow one, didn't mention VULTR.

FATeknollogee

@guyinpv Either you did not read the posts or you missed where I compared A2 to Vultr!

FATeknollogee

Just tried the upload again......speed wins
Vultr: 17 seconds
A2: 8 mins 27 secs

JaredBusch

@FATeknollogee said in Where Are You Running Nextcloud:

Just tried the upload again......speed wins
Vultr: 17 seconds
A2: 8 mins 27 secs

you have a 150/150 pipe? you will nnever see more than 100 to/from my instance because my colo only gives me 100mbps link.

but yeah that A2 speed is screwy slow

FATeknollogee

Yep, 150/150 FIOS pipe.

At my colo, I have 1000/500 pipe.

Really surprised at the lack of speed from A2.

FATeknollogee

So, I opened a ticket with A2 support:

Me:
reference: My internet connection is 150/150

I uploaded 2 mp4 files ( 74 & 196 MB)
Vultr upload took 10 secs.
A2 upload took over 7 mins

Downloading just the 196MB file:
Vultr: 1 sec
A2: 1 min.

A few hours later, I tried the upload again:......speed wins
Vultr: 17 seconds
A2: 8 mins 27 secs

Why are these speeds so poor?

A2 Support:
Thank you for contacting us. I would be happy to answer that question. We are not a file sharing service nor do we allow file sharing websites so our service is not optimized to feed that type of setup. From what I can tell this seems to be what you might be setting up as that is what Next Cloud is for. We do not allow this on our servers / we do not allow File Storage.

Please do not setup a file sharing or backup or storage cloud on the server. I apologize for any confusion.

Me:
Are you serious?
Why is NextCloud available to install in the Softaculous catalog? Why not remove it since you claim it is not allowed?

A2:
Thank you for your reply, I apologize for any confusion this has caused you. We offer our customers a variety of scripting using the Softaculous installer, as with all websites on our network the content of our customers sites must be in keeping with our Terms of Service and Acceptable Use Policy which prohibits :

Audio/Video streaming (other than that which is incidental to a site's operation)
Very large photo galleries
Storage of a large amount of uncompressed or full-size digital images
Online file (FTP) serving
Distribution of large audio or video content such as MP3 files
Online backups (i.e. backup of desktop/laptop computer, files, or anything not directly related to the website)

https://www.a2hosting.com/about/policies/terms-of-service

dafyre

@FATeknollogee said in Where Are You Running Nextcloud:

So, I opened a ticket with A2 support:

Me:
reference: My internet connection is 150/150

I uploaded 2 mp4 files ( 74 & 196 MB)
Vultr upload took 10 secs.
A2 upload took over 7 mins

Downloading just the 196MB file:
Vultr: 1 sec
A2: 1 min.

A few hours later, I tried the upload again:......speed wins
Vultr: 17 seconds
A2: 8 mins 27 secs

Why are these speeds so poor?

A2 Support:
Thank you for contacting us. I would be happy to answer that question. We are not a file sharing service nor do we allow file sharing websites so our service is not optimized to feed that type of setup. From what I can tell this seems to be what you might be setting up as that is what Next Cloud is for. We do not allow this on our servers / we do not allow File Storage.

Please do not setup a file sharing or backup or storage cloud on the server. I apologize for any confusion.

Me:
Are you serious?
Why is NextCloud available to install in the Softaculous catalog? Why not remove it since you claim it is not allowed?

A2:
Thank you for your reply, I apologize for any confusion this has caused you. We offer our customers a variety of scripting using the Softaculous installer, as with all websites on our network the content of our customers sites must be in keeping with our Terms of Service and Acceptable Use Policy which prohibits :

Audio/Video streaming (other than that which is incidental to a site's operation)
Very large photo galleries
Storage of a large amount of uncompressed or full-size digital images
Online file (FTP) serving
Distribution of large audio or video content such as MP3 files
Online backups (i.e. backup of desktop/laptop computer, files, or anything not directly related to the website)

https://www.a2hosting.com/about/policies/terms-of-service

You: Okay, thanks. I'll move all my stuff off of A2 then, and switch to another provider, such as Vultr, where these types of services are allowed.

scottalanmiller

@FATeknollogee said in Where Are You Running Nextcloud:

So, I opened a ticket with A2 support:

Me:
reference: My internet connection is 150/150

I uploaded 2 mp4 files ( 74 & 196 MB)
Vultr upload took 10 secs.
A2 upload took over 7 mins

Downloading just the 196MB file:
Vultr: 1 sec
A2: 1 min.

A few hours later, I tried the upload again:......speed wins
Vultr: 17 seconds
A2: 8 mins 27 secs

Why are these speeds so poor?

A2 Support:
Thank you for contacting us. I would be happy to answer that question. We are not a file sharing service nor do we allow file sharing websites so our service is not optimized to feed that type of setup. From what I can tell this seems to be what you might be setting up as that is what Next Cloud is for. We do not allow this on our servers / we do not allow File Storage.

Please do not setup a file sharing or backup or storage cloud on the server. I apologize for any confusion.

Me:
Are you serious?
Why is NextCloud available to install in the Softaculous catalog? Why not remove it since you claim it is not allowed?

A2:
Thank you for your reply, I apologize for any confusion this has caused you. We offer our customers a variety of scripting using the Softaculous installer, as with all websites on our network the content of our customers sites must be in keeping with our Terms of Service and Acceptable Use Policy which prohibits :

Audio/Video streaming (other than that which is incidental to a site's operation)
Very large photo galleries
Storage of a large amount of uncompressed or full-size digital images
Online file (FTP) serving
Distribution of large audio or video content such as MP3 files
Online backups (i.e. backup of desktop/laptop computer, files, or anything not directly related to the website)

https://www.a2hosting.com/about/policies/terms-of-service

Holy crap what a load of BS. Add them to the list of "never ever use."

Cloudways will have zero issue with that!

FATeknollogee

As much as I would love to move off A2 and use Cloudways, I've got a few things to consider:

Domain name hosting
DNS settings for my different domains
Email accounts
No "one-click" install of some 3rd party apps