What to do when server warranties become expensive?
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I have a client with a 3 year old HPE DL3530P G8. Their current renewal for year 4 is $600 for NBD w/media retention.
This seems very high. A new server for them will probably run under $2k if it were replaced today.
In fact, the new Synology with built in AD is probably all they really need. Backups then become the problem.
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So one discussion is to dump the warranty and just have someone like xByte on standby to next day us a server if we have a critical fault.
Another option is replace the server now with a solution that has a significantly lower yearly maintenance cost.
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Another option is to replace the server altogether with a Synology.
But as mentioned, now I need to discuss backup solution.
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@Dashrender said in What to do when server warranties become expensive?:
Another option is to replace the server altogether with a Synology.
But as mentioned, now I need to discuss backup solution.
Why would you need to discuss backup solutions? Just do what you are currently doing.
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$600 really isn't that bad for a warranty extension, or at least it doesn't seem like it to me. It's ~1/3 the cost of a new server.
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@coliver said in What to do when server warranties become expensive?:
@Dashrender said in What to do when server warranties become expensive?:
Another option is to replace the server altogether with a Synology.
But as mentioned, now I need to discuss backup solution.
Why would you need to discuss backup solutions? Just do what you are currently doing.
Because what they are currently doing is using Veeam to backup the VM to a different portable one drive NAS daily, then taking that offsite.
Veeam won't backup a Synology.
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@Dashrender said in What to do when server warranties become expensive?:
@coliver said in What to do when server warranties become expensive?:
@Dashrender said in What to do when server warranties become expensive?:
Another option is to replace the server altogether with a Synology.
But as mentioned, now I need to discuss backup solution.
Why would you need to discuss backup solutions? Just do what you are currently doing.
Because what they are currently doing is using Veeam to backup the VM to a different portable one drive NAS daily, then taking that offsite.
Veeam won't backup a Synology.
Got it. Was mostly just curious.
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So I'd have to either use some type of rsync or other backup solution to back up the Synology to my daily changed NASs.
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@coliver said in What to do when server warranties become expensive?:
@Dashrender said in What to do when server warranties become expensive?:
@coliver said in What to do when server warranties become expensive?:
@Dashrender said in What to do when server warranties become expensive?:
Another option is to replace the server altogether with a Synology.
But as mentioned, now I need to discuss backup solution.
Why would you need to discuss backup solutions? Just do what you are currently doing.
Because what they are currently doing is using Veeam to backup the VM to a different portable one drive NAS daily, then taking that offsite.
Veeam won't backup a Synology.
Got it. Was mostly just curious.
Thanks for engaging... any thoughts on a solution?
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@Dashrender said in What to do when server warranties become expensive?:
@coliver said in What to do when server warranties become expensive?:
@Dashrender said in What to do when server warranties become expensive?:
@coliver said in What to do when server warranties become expensive?:
@Dashrender said in What to do when server warranties become expensive?:
Another option is to replace the server altogether with a Synology.
But as mentioned, now I need to discuss backup solution.
Why would you need to discuss backup solutions? Just do what you are currently doing.
Because what they are currently doing is using Veeam to backup the VM to a different portable one drive NAS daily, then taking that offsite.
Veeam won't backup a Synology.
Got it. Was mostly just curious.
Thanks for engaging... any thoughts on a solution?
How much data is created on a daily basis? Could they actually use the Synology NAS as AD? Is AD really necessary in this case?
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Backup the data to CrashPlanPro or BackBlaze.
You have no need to backup the VM itself. Data changes little daily.
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@JaredBusch said in What to do when server warranties become expensive?:
Backup the data to CrashPlanPro or BackBlaze.
Can't - the not so silent, silent partner refuses to allow them to use a cloud backup service. Hell, they won't even allow the company to do a backup over a VPN to another location.
You have no need to backup the VM itself. Data changes little daily.
This doesn't backup the AD. Granted it's a small office of 12 PCs so it wouldn't take that long to rebuild user/computer accounts.
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@Dashrender said in What to do when server warranties become expensive?:
Can't - the not so silent, silent partner refuses to allow them to use a cloud backup service. Hell, they won't even allow the company to do a backup over a VPN to another location.
Then you are done. Seriously. Just buy them a server and make them spend the money. If they want to not listen, then give them what they want. Fighting things like this is not your job.
This doesn't backup the AD. Granted it's a small office of 12 PCs so it wouldn't take that long to rebuild user/computer accounts.
And is exactly my point. Because if you need more than just a file recovery from offsite backup, you are into a full DR and rebuilding a 12 person AD from scratch is way faster than restoring from offsite.
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@JaredBusch said in What to do when server warranties become expensive?:
@Dashrender said in What to do when server warranties become expensive?:
Can't - the not so silent, silent partner refuses to allow them to use a cloud backup service. Hell, they won't even allow the company to do a backup over a VPN to another location.This is very common in healthcare actually
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@wirestyle22 said in What to do when server warranties become expensive?:
@JaredBusch said in What to do when server warranties become expensive?:
@Dashrender said in What to do when server warranties become expensive?:
Can't - the not so silent, silent partner refuses to allow them to use a cloud backup service. Hell, they won't even allow the company to do a backup over a VPN to another location.This is very common in healthcare actually
Still does not mean it is right, nor does it mean that it is the problem of anyone in IT. Send confirmation of intent email and ignore. Because the business has decided what to do.
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@JaredBusch said in What to do when server warranties become expensive?:
@wirestyle22 said in What to do when server warranties become expensive?:
@JaredBusch said in What to do when server warranties become expensive?:
@Dashrender said in What to do when server warranties become expensive?:
Can't - the not so silent, silent partner refuses to allow them to use a cloud backup service. Hell, they won't even allow the company to do a backup over a VPN to another location.This is very common in healthcare actually
Still does not mean it is right, nor does it mean that it is the problem of anyone in IT. Send confirmation of intent email and ignore. Because the business has decided what to do.
Agreed
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@JaredBusch said in What to do when server warranties become expensive?:
@Dashrender said in What to do when server warranties become expensive?:
Can't - the not so silent, silent partner refuses to allow them to use a cloud backup service. Hell, they won't even allow the company to do a backup over a VPN to another location.
Then you are done. Seriously. Just buy them a server and make them spend the money. If they want to not listen, then give them what they want. Fighting things like this is not your job.
I'm not trying to fight this. This is why they have Veeam backing up to one of 5 NAS units, and they take the previous day's home every night.
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@JaredBusch said in What to do when server warranties become expensive?:
This doesn't backup the AD. Granted it's a small office of 12 PCs so it wouldn't take that long to rebuild user/computer accounts.
And is exactly my point. Because if you need more than just a file recovery from offsite backup, you are into a full DR and rebuilding a 12 person AD from scratch is way faster than restoring from offsite.
Sure, it would be faster than rebuilding from an offsite/cloud backup - but that's not what I have, we have onsite NAS backup, so that should be pretty fast.
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@wirestyle22 said in What to do when server warranties become expensive?:
@JaredBusch said in What to do when server warranties become expensive?:
@Dashrender said in What to do when server warranties become expensive?:
Can't - the not so silent, silent partner refuses to allow them to use a cloud backup service. Hell, they won't even allow the company to do a backup over a VPN to another location.This is very common in healthcare actually
This client is not healthcare - just crazy.
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@Dashrender said in What to do when server warranties become expensive?:
@wirestyle22 said in What to do when server warranties become expensive?:
@JaredBusch said in What to do when server warranties become expensive?:
@Dashrender said in What to do when server warranties become expensive?:
Can't - the not so silent, silent partner refuses to allow them to use a cloud backup service. Hell, they won't even allow the company to do a backup over a VPN to another location.This is very common in healthcare actually
This client is not healthcare - just crazy.
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