What Are You Doing Right Now
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@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
China adds 7m people per year to their population. That ghost city is for just 1m. The amount of housing that China has to build per year is something like 10m (assuming some amount has to be torn down.) In a population of 1.3bn people, having a little spot that could hold 1m be empty temporarily shouldn't be shocking, it should be assumed. The amount of construction needed to keep up with a population of that size is insane.
Compare to Dallas or Panama City. Both are huge cities... full of empty buildings. It's not all in one spot like in that one city, but the effect is the same. Rampant development way, way ahead of needed capacity. Dallas has something like 20% of the city empty. China is nothing like that. PC is like 40% or something insane. Trump Tower alone is a building like that, famously empty in Panama City with no prospects.
One of the pictured cities (that they haven't finished yet) has a planned capacity of 9 million. Pretty cool that they are building a variety of cities with different sizes.
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@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@coliver said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@coliver said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
OK i stand corrected on how they were funded - but funding them in the hopes that people would just want to move in with no actual presold reason seems like a huge gamble.. one they clearly lost on.
Well, their population had been increasing 2-3% year over year beginning in the 1960s right up until the 90s and 00s. Not saying you're wrong but there was no indication at the time that the rate would slow down.
Or that these won't be needed in a year or two. Just because they built them early might have just been because they felt that that was when they could get the loans, or build them cheaply, or just that they feel that being prepared is better than being caught off guard.
No argument there. I think they are better on the prepared side... having planned cities sure beats a lot of the traditional American cities that just sprawled like crazy.
Yes, loads of advantages to it. A lot of developed Asia benefits from awesomely planned cities.
And they get away from the terrible suburb ideas that we have. At least from I can tell.
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@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
China adds 7m people per year to their population. That ghost city is for just 1m. The amount of housing that China has to build per year is something like 10m (assuming some amount has to be torn down.) In a population of 1.3bn people, having a little spot that could hold 1m be empty temporarily shouldn't be shocking, it should be assumed. The amount of construction needed to keep up with a population of that size is insane.
Ok that makes sense - but was the building happening before these new cities?
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@coliver said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
China adds 7m people per year to their population. That ghost city is for just 1m. The amount of housing that China has to build per year is something like 10m (assuming some amount has to be torn down.) In a population of 1.3bn people, having a little spot that could hold 1m be empty temporarily shouldn't be shocking, it should be assumed. The amount of construction needed to keep up with a population of that size is insane.
Compare to Dallas or Panama City. Both are huge cities... full of empty buildings. It's not all in one spot like in that one city, but the effect is the same. Rampant development way, way ahead of needed capacity. Dallas has something like 20% of the city empty. China is nothing like that. PC is like 40% or something insane. Trump Tower alone is a building like that, famously empty in Panama City with no prospects.
One of the pictured cities (that they haven't finished yet) has a planned capacity of 9 million. Pretty cool that they are building a variety of cities with different sizes.
50% bigger than the DFW. Now that's crazy.
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@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@coliver said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
China adds 7m people per year to their population. That ghost city is for just 1m. The amount of housing that China has to build per year is something like 10m (assuming some amount has to be torn down.) In a population of 1.3bn people, having a little spot that could hold 1m be empty temporarily shouldn't be shocking, it should be assumed. The amount of construction needed to keep up with a population of that size is insane.
Compare to Dallas or Panama City. Both are huge cities... full of empty buildings. It's not all in one spot like in that one city, but the effect is the same. Rampant development way, way ahead of needed capacity. Dallas has something like 20% of the city empty. China is nothing like that. PC is like 40% or something insane. Trump Tower alone is a building like that, famously empty in Panama City with no prospects.
One of the pictured cities (that they haven't finished yet) has a planned capacity of 9 million. Pretty cool that they are building a variety of cities with different sizes.
50% bigger than the DFW. Now that's crazy.
Only slightly larger then NYC over a much larger land area.
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@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
China adds 7m people per year to their population. That ghost city is for just 1m. The amount of housing that China has to build per year is something like 10m (assuming some amount has to be torn down.) In a population of 1.3bn people, having a little spot that could hold 1m be empty temporarily shouldn't be shocking, it should be assumed. The amount of construction needed to keep up with a population of that size is insane.
Ok that makes sense - but was the building happening before these new cities?
in rural super low cost situations, right?Not sure what you are asking. They've had planned cities like this for a really long time now in China. But they've always had to build to keep up with the population ever since there were people. China uses their central planning to spread people out to where they project jobs, food, water and so forth.
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@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
China adds 7m people per year to their population. That ghost city is for just 1m. The amount of housing that China has to build per year is something like 10m (assuming some amount has to be torn down.) In a population of 1.3bn people, having a little spot that could hold 1m be empty temporarily shouldn't be shocking, it should be assumed. The amount of construction needed to keep up with a population of that size is insane.
Ok that makes sense - but was the building happening before these new cities?
in rural super low cost situations, right?From what I've read, and it hasn't been a lot, yes building was happening before but it was similar to US suburbs... which is really just terrible. It leads to poor city management and puts a lot of strain on utilities.
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@coliver said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
China adds 7m people per year to their population. That ghost city is for just 1m. The amount of housing that China has to build per year is something like 10m (assuming some amount has to be torn down.) In a population of 1.3bn people, having a little spot that could hold 1m be empty temporarily shouldn't be shocking, it should be assumed. The amount of construction needed to keep up with a population of that size is insane.
Ok that makes sense - but was the building happening before these new cities?
in rural super low cost situations, right?From what I've read, and it hasn't been a lot, yes building was happening before but it was similar to US suburbs... which is really just terrible. It leads to poor city management and puts a lot of strain on utilities.
I'm sorry, what hasn't been a lot?
Where have those 7M new people a year been living before these cities went up? In rural huts, right? the natives where basically doing this themselves.
For the sake of their economy, I understand the desire to setup the cities, but most of the cities that Scott mentioned before were built with a purpose in mind, not as a just in case situation, or oh.. yeah - we think something might happen, so let's build a city.
Organic growth seems must more natural (and definitely less efficient).
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@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Where have those 7M new people a year been living before these cities went up? In rural huts, right? the natives where basically doing this themselves.
I'm assuming you are joking, right? This isn't very culturally sensitive.
Or do you call American suburban homes being build "natives making huts themselves?"
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@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Organic growth seems must more natural (and definitely less efficient).
Only because you live in one of the very few large countries in the world that works that way. Much of the world does some degree of central planning, building or whatever to ensure that things are more efficient. Nowhere is purely planned and nowhere is purely organic, but there is nothing unnatural (within the human context) about city planning.
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@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Where have those 7M new people a year been living before these cities went up? In rural huts, right? the natives where basically doing this themselves.
I'm assuming you are joking, right? This isn't very culturally sensitive.
Or do you call American suburban homes being build "natives making huts themselves?"
I guess you get to call me insensitive - from the tiniest amount I've seen on TV, the rural Chinese still live in squalor. If you're telling me that the average Chinese person now lives in what we consider suburbia, thanks for the education.
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@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@coliver said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
China adds 7m people per year to their population. That ghost city is for just 1m. The amount of housing that China has to build per year is something like 10m (assuming some amount has to be torn down.) In a population of 1.3bn people, having a little spot that could hold 1m be empty temporarily shouldn't be shocking, it should be assumed. The amount of construction needed to keep up with a population of that size is insane.
Ok that makes sense - but was the building happening before these new cities?
in rural super low cost situations, right?From what I've read, and it hasn't been a lot, yes building was happening before but it was similar to US suburbs... which is really just terrible. It leads to poor city management and puts a lot of strain on utilities.
I'm sorry, what hasn't been a lot?
Where have those 7M new people a year been living before these cities went up? In rural huts, right? the natives where basically doing this themselves.
For the sake of their economy, I understand the desire to setup the cities, but most of the cities that Scott mentioned before were built with a purpose in mind, not as a just in case situation, or oh.. yeah - we think something might happen, so let's build a city.
Organic growth seems must more natural (and definitely less efficient).
My reading on the subject hasn't been a lot.
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@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Where have those 7M new people a year been living before these cities went up? In rural huts, right? the natives where basically doing this themselves.
I'm assuming you are joking, right? This isn't very culturally sensitive.
Or do you call American suburban homes being build "natives making huts themselves?"
I guess you get to call me insensitive - from the tiniest amount I've seen on TV, the rural Chinese still live in squalor. If you're telling me that the average Chinese person now lives in what we consider suburbia, thanks for the education.
Most live in very large cities. Over 56% are in cities. Then suburbs are another group. Then villages. Then rural. The average person in China has very little rural exposure.
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@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
the rural Chinese still live in squalor.
You could say that about rural Americans, too. Rural anywhere tends to be pretty poor.
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@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
the rural Chinese still live in squalor.
You could say that about rural Americans, too. Rural anywhere tends to be pretty poor.
If you are in Rural America, you are there for typically one of 3 reason:
- You were born into rural America and you can't afford to drive into the city to work everyday
- You are a farmer/rancher and need the extra land to generate income with
- You are rich and this is apart of your retirement package to live in peace and quietness
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@NerdyDad said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
the rural Chinese still live in squalor.
You could say that about rural Americans, too. Rural anywhere tends to be pretty poor.
If you are in Rural America, you are there for typically one of 3 reason:
- You were born into rural America and you can't afford to drive into the city to work everyday
- You are a farmer/rancher and need the extra land to generate income with
- You are rich and this is apart of your retirement package to live in peace and quietness
I enjoy my little rural slice. But for the most part you are correct.
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So guys - do you feel that rural seems to be pretty poor only?
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@Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
So guys - do you feel that rural seems to be pretty poor only?
I don't. The cost of living is less generally so even if you aren't making as much money goes a bit further.
