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    • hobbit666H
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      Thinking "What the hell was I doing / about to do................"

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      • wirestyle22W
        wirestyle22 @coliver
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        @coliver said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

        @wirestyle22 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

        @scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

        @wirestyle22 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

        @Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

        @wirestyle22 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

        @dashrender If they aren't considering all of this I highly doubt they have calculated iops too. I don't get triggered a lot but I feel like we're setting ourselves up to fail.

        Your company definitely is. You should mention these things.

        They need to take a step back and do something like - run DPACK for a few weeks, use that information to build the servers that will be in the summer, and they will probably be overkill for the DAG situation.

        I don't know how these guys are going to react to me involving myself in this process but I'd rather deal with social consequences than IT consequences

        That's a terrible way to think of it. IT does not override businesses processes.

        Can you elaborate? I'm not sure how I'm overriding a business practice.

        You're injecting personal bias into a management decision. That's kind of the definition of overriding business practices.

        From my own knowledge base, which could be wrong (and if it is please tell me), what I would be suggesting would be a lot more in line with best practices wouldn't it? I guess what I'm asking is what is my responsibility in this situation? Am I doing what is best for the company by explaining this to them in a very respectful and patient manner or should I ignore it because I was not invited into the meeting? Is the social more important?

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        • JaredBuschJ
          JaredBusch
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          Sunny and cold Thursday morning it's 20°F sitting behind traffic

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          • dafyreD
            dafyre @coliver
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            @coliver said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

            @wirestyle22 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

            @scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

            @wirestyle22 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

            @Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

            @wirestyle22 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

            @dashrender If they aren't considering all of this I highly doubt they have calculated iops too. I don't get triggered a lot but I feel like we're setting ourselves up to fail.

            Your company definitely is. You should mention these things.

            They need to take a step back and do something like - run DPACK for a few weeks, use that information to build the servers that will be in the summer, and they will probably be overkill for the DAG situation.

            I don't know how these guys are going to react to me involving myself in this process but I'd rather deal with social consequences than IT consequences

            That's a terrible way to think of it. IT does not override businesses processes.

            Can you elaborate? I'm not sure how I'm overriding a business practice.

            You're injecting personal bias into a management decision. That's kind of the definition of overriding business practices.

            Injecting personal bias or suggesting things closer to industry best practices?

            I could see Personal Bias if it was a Raid 6 vs Raid 10... But as has become the norm around here... If it's not SSDs, RAID 5 really is not a good suggestion any more.

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            • wirestyle22W
              wirestyle22 @dafyre
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              @dafyre said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

              @coliver said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

              @wirestyle22 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

              @scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

              @wirestyle22 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

              @Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

              @wirestyle22 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

              @dashrender If they aren't considering all of this I highly doubt they have calculated iops too. I don't get triggered a lot but I feel like we're setting ourselves up to fail.

              Your company definitely is. You should mention these things.

              They need to take a step back and do something like - run DPACK for a few weeks, use that information to build the servers that will be in the summer, and they will probably be overkill for the DAG situation.

              I don't know how these guys are going to react to me involving myself in this process but I'd rather deal with social consequences than IT consequences

              That's a terrible way to think of it. IT does not override businesses processes.

              Can you elaborate? I'm not sure how I'm overriding a business practice.

              You're injecting personal bias into a management decision. That's kind of the definition of overriding business practices.

              Injecting personal bias or suggesting things closer to industry best practices?

              I could see Personal Bias if it was a Raid 6 vs Raid 10... But as has become the norm around here... If it's not SSDs, RAID 5 really is not a good suggestion any more.

              It's a bias for the more correct option, which everyone is biased (in favor of or against) when it comes to everything

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              • DashrenderD
                Dashrender @coliver
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                @coliver said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                @wirestyle22 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                @scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                @wirestyle22 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                @Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                @wirestyle22 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                @dashrender If they aren't considering all of this I highly doubt they have calculated iops too. I don't get triggered a lot but I feel like we're setting ourselves up to fail.

                Your company definitely is. You should mention these things.

                They need to take a step back and do something like - run DPACK for a few weeks, use that information to build the servers that will be in the summer, and they will probably be overkill for the DAG situation.

                I don't know how these guys are going to react to me involving myself in this process but I'd rather deal with social consequences than IT consequences

                That's a terrible way to think of it. IT does not override businesses processes.

                Can you elaborate? I'm not sure how I'm overriding a business practice.

                You're injecting personal bias into a management decision. That's kind of the definition of overriding business practices.

                How is this a personal bias?

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                • DashrenderD
                  Dashrender @scottalanmiller
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                  @scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                  @dafyre said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                  @wirestyle22 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                  @dafyre said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                  @wirestyle22 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                  @Dashrender The server is on it's way out anyway so it solves two problems but I'm really put out.

                  Were you actually in that meeting, or did just you just happen to hear it as you walked by?

                  My desk is directly next to their office so I hear everything

                  Perhaps you should mention it to them... "By the way, I heard you talking about raid 5..." and then explain to them why it's a bad idea?

                  Government, it being a bad idea was probably the point.

                  If you know that to be the case, then fine - but damn that' horrible just to assume it to be the case.

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                  • dafyreD
                    dafyre @Dashrender
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                    @Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                    @scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                    @dafyre said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                    @wirestyle22 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                    @dafyre said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                    @wirestyle22 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                    @Dashrender The server is on it's way out anyway so it solves two problems but I'm really put out.

                    Were you actually in that meeting, or did just you just happen to hear it as you walked by?

                    My desk is directly next to their office so I hear everything

                    Perhaps you should mention it to them... "By the way, I heard you talking about raid 5..." and then explain to them why it's a bad idea?

                    Government, it being a bad idea was probably the point.

                    If you know that to be the case, then fine - but damn that' horrible just to assume it to be the case.

                    @scottalanmiller just assumes that most IT people are idiots and goes straight to worst case, ha ha.

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                    • DashrenderD
                      Dashrender @dafyre
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                      @dafyre said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                      @Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                      @scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                      @dafyre said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                      @wirestyle22 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                      @dafyre said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                      @wirestyle22 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                      @Dashrender The server is on it's way out anyway so it solves two problems but I'm really put out.

                      Were you actually in that meeting, or did just you just happen to hear it as you walked by?

                      My desk is directly next to their office so I hear everything

                      Perhaps you should mention it to them... "By the way, I heard you talking about raid 5..." and then explain to them why it's a bad idea?

                      Government, it being a bad idea was probably the point.

                      If you know that to be the case, then fine - but damn that' horrible just to assume it to be the case.

                      @scottalanmiller just assumes that most IT people are idiots and goes straight to worst case, ha ha.

                      Well in this case he tossed government into as well - and while sure, often the stories coming from governments is horrible, it's just bad to assume they will always be so.

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                      • wirestyle22W
                        wirestyle22 @Dashrender
                        last edited by wirestyle22

                        @Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                        @dafyre said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                        @Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                        @scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                        @dafyre said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                        @wirestyle22 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                        @dafyre said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                        @wirestyle22 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                        @Dashrender The server is on it's way out anyway so it solves two problems but I'm really put out.

                        Were you actually in that meeting, or did just you just happen to hear it as you walked by?

                        My desk is directly next to their office so I hear everything

                        Perhaps you should mention it to them... "By the way, I heard you talking about raid 5..." and then explain to them why it's a bad idea?

                        Government, it being a bad idea was probably the point.

                        If you know that to be the case, then fine - but damn that' horrible just to assume it to be the case.

                        @scottalanmiller just assumes that most IT people are idiots and goes straight to worst case, ha ha.

                        Well in this case he tossed government into as well - and while sure, often the stories coming from governments is horrible, it's just bad to assume they will always be so.

                        I mean, he's insinuating it's intentional too. I have few resources today I guess because I'm more inclined to agree with him in this moment. It's a sad day.

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                        • scottalanmillerS
                          scottalanmiller @wirestyle22
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                          @wirestyle22 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                          Isn't one of the strenghts of virtualization that you can allocate resources in a way where wasted resources are at the very least greatly reduced?

                          At a physical level, that's sometimes true. They used to say the same thing about operating systems, though. This can be a licensing nightmare though.

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                          • WrCombsW
                            WrCombs
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                            Re-watching the Professor Messer Comptia Network+ videos from his website

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                            • DashrenderD
                              Dashrender @scottalanmiller
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                              @scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                              @wirestyle22 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                              Isn't one of the strenghts of virtualization that you can allocate resources in a way where wasted resources are at the very least greatly reduced?

                              At a physical level, that's sometimes true. They used to say the same thing about operating systems, though. This can be a licensing nightmare though.

                              Exactly - remember, Windows can only move between hosts once every 90 days. So assuming you have a 3 node cluster, if you want a single VM to be able to seamless move between all three servers based on load, then you need three Windows server licenses for that one VM. You could also license all three servers with DataCenter Licenses, which allows for unlimited VMs on each host, and depending on the number of VMs that is worth while, but that number is pretty high for most SMBs as DC licensing starts at $5K per server and goes up depending on the number of cores.

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                              • wirestyle22W
                                wirestyle22 @Dashrender
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                                @Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                @scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                @wirestyle22 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                Isn't one of the strenghts of virtualization that you can allocate resources in a way where wasted resources are at the very least greatly reduced?

                                At a physical level, that's sometimes true. They used to say the same thing about operating systems, though. This can be a licensing nightmare though.

                                Exactly - remember, Windows can only move between hosts once every 90 days. So assuming you have a 3 node cluster, if you want a single VM to be able to seamless move between all three servers based on load, then you need three Windows server licenses for that one VM. You could also license all three servers with DataCenter Licenses, which allows for unlimited VMs on each host, and depending on the number of VMs that is worth while, but that number is pretty high for most SMBs as DC licensing starts at $5K per server and goes up depending on the number of cores.

                                We have DC Licensing

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                                • scottalanmillerS
                                  scottalanmiller @wirestyle22
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                                  @wirestyle22 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                  @scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                  @wirestyle22 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                  @Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                  @wirestyle22 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                  @dashrender If they aren't considering all of this I highly doubt they have calculated iops too. I don't get triggered a lot but I feel like we're setting ourselves up to fail.

                                  Your company definitely is. You should mention these things.

                                  They need to take a step back and do something like - run DPACK for a few weeks, use that information to build the servers that will be in the summer, and they will probably be overkill for the DAG situation.

                                  I don't know how these guys are going to react to me involving myself in this process but I'd rather deal with social consequences than IT consequences

                                  That's a terrible way to think of it. IT does not override businesses processes.

                                  Can you elaborate? I'm not sure how I'm overriding a business practice.

                                  There is no such thing as an IT consequence. And you are using the term social consequences to mean business reaction to your involvement. You are feeling the need to override what the business wants to do. If they don't want to hear it, it's not your concern. The consequences are not yours. If the business cares about X and you think Y is what IT wants, IT is wrong. Only the desires of the business matter, nothing that IT "feels".

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                                  • DashrenderD
                                    Dashrender @wirestyle22
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                                    @wirestyle22 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                    We have DC Licensing

                                    Well that's a start - but still doesn't imply you'll get the gains you're might be thinking.

                                    i.e. let's assume you have two servers that are spec'ed correctly to run all loads on one server. Splitting the load over two hosts doesn't really gain you anything performance wise. Uptime wise it gives you a little - i.e. if one host dies, the VMs on the other will be online the whole time, while the other move to the new host.

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                                    • wirestyle22W
                                      wirestyle22 @Dashrender
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                                      @Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                      @wirestyle22 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                      We have DC Licensing

                                      Well that's a start - but still doesn't imply you'll get the gains you're might be thinking.

                                      i.e. let's assume you have two servers that are spec'ed correctly to run all loads on one server. Splitting the load over two hosts doesn't really gain you anything performance wise. Uptime wise it gives you a little - i.e. if one host dies, the VMs on the other will be online the whole time, while the other move to the new host.

                                      I'm not expecting huge performance gains though. I just think there is a better way to achieve hardware redundancy than what they are planning which doesn't involve wasting a lot of resources.

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                                      • DashrenderD
                                        Dashrender @wirestyle22
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                                        @wirestyle22 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                        @Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                        @wirestyle22 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                        We have DC Licensing

                                        Well that's a start - but still doesn't imply you'll get the gains you're might be thinking.

                                        i.e. let's assume you have two servers that are spec'ed correctly to run all loads on one server. Splitting the load over two hosts doesn't really gain you anything performance wise. Uptime wise it gives you a little - i.e. if one host dies, the VMs on the other will be online the whole time, while the other move to the new host.

                                        I'm not expecting huge performance gains though. I just think there is a better way to achieve hardware redundancy than what they are planning which doesn't involve wasting a lot of resources.

                                        Where do you see the wasted resources?

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                                        • JaredBuschJ
                                          JaredBusch @Dashrender
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                                          @Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                          @wirestyle22 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                          @Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                          @wirestyle22 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                          We have DC Licensing

                                          Well that's a start - but still doesn't imply you'll get the gains you're might be thinking.

                                          i.e. let's assume you have two servers that are spec'ed correctly to run all loads on one server. Splitting the load over two hosts doesn't really gain you anything performance wise. Uptime wise it gives you a little - i.e. if one host dies, the VMs on the other will be online the whole time, while the other move to the new host.

                                          I'm not expecting huge performance gains though. I just think there is a better way to achieve hardware redundancy than what they are planning which doesn't involve wasting a lot of resources.

                                          Where do you see the wasted resources?

                                          He has a second server doing nothing but being a replica. He is calling that a waste. The point is hardware redundancy you're always going to waste resources are used because you have redundant hardware that's the point of the word redundant.

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                                          • DashrenderD
                                            Dashrender @JaredBusch
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                                            @JaredBusch said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                            @Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                            @wirestyle22 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                            @Dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                            @wirestyle22 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:

                                            We have DC Licensing

                                            Well that's a start - but still doesn't imply you'll get the gains you're might be thinking.

                                            i.e. let's assume you have two servers that are spec'ed correctly to run all loads on one server. Splitting the load over two hosts doesn't really gain you anything performance wise. Uptime wise it gives you a little - i.e. if one host dies, the VMs on the other will be online the whole time, while the other move to the new host.

                                            I'm not expecting huge performance gains though. I just think there is a better way to achieve hardware redundancy than what they are planning which doesn't involve wasting a lot of resources.

                                            Where do you see the wasted resources?

                                            He has a second server doing nothing but being a replica. He is calling that a waste. The point is hardware redundancy you're always going to waste resources are used because you have redundant hardware that's the point of the word redundant.

                                            Yeah - I was looking for him to say this and come to this conclusion on his own. Realizing that his concern was really the point in having the extra server in the first place.

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