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    Lenovo Servers Bricked After Windows Update

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    • scottalanmillerS
      scottalanmiller
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      That's not good. That's a major flaw in the UEFI to allow such a simple thing to brick the hardware.

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      • dafyreD
        dafyre
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        Is that something that totally hoses the system to the point that it can't even boot a rescue CD?

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        • scottalanmillerS
          scottalanmiller @dafyre
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          @dafyre said in Lenovo Servers Bricked After Windows Update:

          Is that something that totally hoses the system to the point that it can't even boot a rescue CD?

          Yes, even replacing the motherboard itself doesn't allow it to boot.

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          • dafyreD
            dafyre @scottalanmiller
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            @scottalanmiller said in Lenovo Servers Bricked After Windows Update:

            @dafyre said in Lenovo Servers Bricked After Windows Update:

            Is that something that totally hoses the system to the point that it can't even boot a rescue CD?

            Yes, even replacing the motherboard itself doesn't allow it to boot.

            I wasn't talking about booting from the HD... I meant that it won't even let you boot from a recovery DVD or anything?

            If not... then Yikes!

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            • MattSpellerM
              MattSpeller @scottalanmiller
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              @scottalanmiller said in Lenovo Servers Bricked After Windows Update:

              @dafyre said in Lenovo Servers Bricked After Windows Update:

              Is that something that totally hoses the system to the point that it can't even boot a rescue CD?

              Yes, even replacing the motherboard itself doesn't allow it to boot.

              wtf - that's horrendous

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              • scottalanmillerS
                scottalanmiller @MattSpeller
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                @MattSpeller said in Lenovo Servers Bricked After Windows Update:

                @scottalanmiller said in Lenovo Servers Bricked After Windows Update:

                @dafyre said in Lenovo Servers Bricked After Windows Update:

                Is that something that totally hoses the system to the point that it can't even boot a rescue CD?

                Yes, even replacing the motherboard itself doesn't allow it to boot.

                wtf - that's horrendous

                Welcome to the world of UEFI and SecureBoot.

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                • dafyreD
                  dafyre
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                  All in the name of preventing people from loading an OS on their computer that they actually WANT to use, lol... Even if they don't want the computers form this manufacturer, ha ha.

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                  • scottalanmillerS
                    scottalanmiller @dafyre
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                    @dafyre said in Lenovo Servers Bricked After Windows Update:

                    All in the name of preventing people from loading an OS on their computer that they actually WANT to use, lol... Even if they don't want the computers form this manufacturer, ha ha.

                    Exactly. In the process of trying to screw customers, they screwed customers more than intended.

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                    • ChrisLC
                      ChrisL @dafyre
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                      @dafyre said in Lenovo Servers Bricked After Windows Update:

                      All in the name of preventing people from loading an OS on their computer that they actually WANT to use, lol... Even if they don't want the computers form this manufacturer, ha ha.

                      I fully await the future where this applies to other things, i.e., your Ford engine explodes because you put in Shell gasoline and not Ford-approved BP fuel.

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                      • JaredBuschJ
                        JaredBusch @ChrisL
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                        @ChrisL said in Lenovo Servers Bricked After Windows Update:

                        @dafyre said in Lenovo Servers Bricked After Windows Update:

                        All in the name of preventing people from loading an OS on their computer that they actually WANT to use, lol... Even if they don't want the computers form this manufacturer, ha ha.

                        I fully await the future where this applies to other things, i.e., your Ford engine explodes because you put in Shell gasoline and not Ford-approved BP fuel.

                        Easily doable now, if the vehicle designers so desired.

                        All fuel comes up the pipelines in a standard clean form from the refiners to the regional terminals.

                        When the driver pulls up to the terminal to fill the tanker he punches in a set of codes saying that he needs 3000 gallons BP 87 octane in compartment 1 and 2000 gallons of BP 93 octane in compartment 2.

                        The system begins pumping in standard 87 and 93 octane as specified and then drops in the specified additives during loading. Those additives are what makes it "BP" fuel.

                        Those additives could easily be tracked by a sensor in the fuel system.

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                        • DashrenderD
                          Dashrender @mlnews
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                          @mlnews said in Lenovo Servers Bricked After Windows Update:

                          The system will not complete POST and hangs at the Lenovo splash screen.

                          Say what? How does applying an OS patch cause POST to fail/hang?

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                          • MattSpellerM
                            MattSpeller @Dashrender
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                            @Dashrender said in Lenovo Servers Bricked After Windows Update:

                            @mlnews said in Lenovo Servers Bricked After Windows Update:

                            The system will not complete POST and hangs at the Lenovo splash screen.

                            Say what? How does applying an OS patch cause POST to fail/hang?

                            UEFI

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                            • DashrenderD
                              Dashrender @dafyre
                              last edited by

                              @dafyre said in Lenovo Servers Bricked After Windows Update:

                              All in the name of preventing people from loading an OS on their computer that they actually WANT to use, lol... Even if they don't want the computers form this manufacturer, ha ha.

                              There's a LOT more to it than that.

                              And while I'll gladly leave room for that being a major reason Secure Boot has been pushed - at least the given explanations that it's to help the system boot into a known good/clean mode (malware free), makes sense.

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                              • scottalanmillerS
                                scottalanmiller @MattSpeller
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                                @MattSpeller said in Lenovo Servers Bricked After Windows Update:

                                @Dashrender said in Lenovo Servers Bricked After Windows Update:

                                @mlnews said in Lenovo Servers Bricked After Windows Update:

                                The system will not complete POST and hangs at the Lenovo splash screen.

                                Say what? How does applying an OS patch cause POST to fail/hang?

                                UEFI

                                That sums it up. UEFI + SecureBoot does some truly evil things.

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                                • MattSpellerM
                                  MattSpeller @scottalanmiller
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                                  @scottalanmiller said in Lenovo Servers Bricked After Windows Update:

                                  @MattSpeller said in Lenovo Servers Bricked After Windows Update:

                                  @Dashrender said in Lenovo Servers Bricked After Windows Update:

                                  @mlnews said in Lenovo Servers Bricked After Windows Update:

                                  The system will not complete POST and hangs at the Lenovo splash screen.

                                  Say what? How does applying an OS patch cause POST to fail/hang?

                                  UEFI

                                  That sums it up. UEFI + SecureBoot does some truly evil things.

                                  "sums it up" in a nice and chewy light and fluffy 10k word saga

                                  I regret being interested in it and I'm only half way through lol

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                                  • DashrenderD
                                    Dashrender @MattSpeller
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                                    @MattSpeller said in Lenovo Servers Bricked After Windows Update:

                                    @Dashrender said in Lenovo Servers Bricked After Windows Update:

                                    @mlnews said in Lenovo Servers Bricked After Windows Update:

                                    The system will not complete POST and hangs at the Lenovo splash screen.

                                    Say what? How does applying an OS patch cause POST to fail/hang?

                                    UEFI

                                    Damn.. long but good read!

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                                    • DustinB3403D
                                      DustinB3403
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                                      😉 so this was a feature improvement on Microsoft's part?

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                                      • NattNattN
                                        NattNatt
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                                        so...just in case anyone still trusted Lenovo, they do this? :')

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                                        • DashrenderD
                                          Dashrender @NattNatt
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                                          @NattNatt said in Lenovo Servers Bricked After Windows Update:

                                          so...just in case anyone still trusted Lenovo, they do this? :')

                                          Do we know who's at fault here?

                                          Did MS do something wrong? or Did Lenovo do something wrong?

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                                          • DashrenderD
                                            Dashrender @dafyre
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                                            @dafyre said in Lenovo Servers Bricked After Windows Update:

                                            @scottalanmiller said in Lenovo Servers Bricked After Windows Update:

                                            @dafyre said in Lenovo Servers Bricked After Windows Update:

                                            Is that something that totally hoses the system to the point that it can't even boot a rescue CD?

                                            Yes, even replacing the motherboard itself doesn't allow it to boot.

                                            I wasn't talking about booting from the HD... I meant that it won't even let you boot from a recovery DVD or anything?

                                            If not... then Yikes!

                                            So on this thinking, after reading the UEFI info linked above, I wonder if removing the current storage solution and booting from USB or DVD etc as suggested by @dafyre would allow them to update the UEFI, then plug the original storage solution back in and try again?

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