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    • DustinB3403D
      DustinB3403
      last edited by

      So I have a VM that by its self is slow as molasses, other VM's on the same host are running just fine.

      Looking at the disk usage in performance monitor there is a single service (Shadow Protect) that is just killing the usage. Here is a screenshot.

      0_1479490013277_RDCMan_2016-11-18_12-23-35.png

      So short of removing SP (I wouldn't mind, the boss would though) what else can I do to determine why SP is killing it?

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      • K
        Kris_K
        last edited by Kris_K

        How is it killing the storage? By doing less than 1MB/sec?... Queue seems fine as well.

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        • K
          Kris_K
          last edited by

          Ok, did the math, seems like its reading at ~30MB/s. Again, what kind of storage do you have that's it is "killing"?.. Single hdd can cope with such speeds..

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          • DustinB3403D
            DustinB3403
            last edited by

            The IOPS for the service were and now have calmed down after the startup (but at 700 IOPS) for the sole operation.

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            • DustinB3403D
              DustinB3403 @Kris_K
              last edited by

              @Kris_K said in Shadow Protect and Disk IOPS usage..:

              Ok, did the math, seems like its reading at ~30MB/s. Again, what kind of storage do you have that's it is "killing"?.. Single hdd can cope with such speeds..

              This VM is sitting on an OBR10 array, and only this VM is slow on the array. At least at start up recently from "last night" according to my boss.

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              • K
                Kris_K
                last edited by Kris_K

                Well, it will use all the available IOPS if you don't have any way to limit it (SIOC, etc.). If it's not limited by other resources of course.

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                • DustinB3403D
                  DustinB3403
                  last edited by

                  And that's fine, I guess the question I'm posing is why is it using everything for just this system?

                  Other servers have Shadow Protect as well and they don't get hit nearly as heavily at startup.

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                  • DashrenderD
                    Dashrender
                    last edited by

                    I don't know enough about VM at this level - so don't crusify me if my question is stupid.

                    But if this is an OBR10, and no other VMs are having performance issues, and you're not limiting IOPs access to the VM somehow (maybe you are?) then why assume the storage is the root of the performance issue?

                    As Kris mentioned, wouldn't the host give the VM as much IOPs as it wants as long as the nothing else is asking for them?

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                    • scottalanmillerS
                      scottalanmiller @Kris_K
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                      @Kris_K said in Shadow Protect and Disk IOPS usage..:

                      Ok, did the math, seems like its reading at ~30MB/s. Again, what kind of storage do you have that's it is "killing"?.. Single hdd can cope with such speeds..

                      Single disks "can", but often that is their limit. And if this is a single disk system, that could hit 100% of the disk capacity pretty easily. Especially if this is not sequential. A single disk can stream over 30MB/s, but in ad hoc operations often cannot sustain it.

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                      • scottalanmillerS
                        scottalanmiller @DustinB3403
                        last edited by

                        @DustinB3403 said in Shadow Protect and Disk IOPS usage..:

                        @Kris_K said in Shadow Protect and Disk IOPS usage..:

                        Ok, did the math, seems like its reading at ~30MB/s. Again, what kind of storage do you have that's it is "killing"?.. Single hdd can cope with such speeds..

                        This VM is sitting on an OBR10 array, and only this VM is slow on the array. At least at start up recently from "last night" according to my boss.

                        If the disk was being saturated, seems like everything on the array would notice.

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                        • scottalanmillerS
                          scottalanmiller @Dashrender
                          last edited by

                          @Dashrender said in Shadow Protect and Disk IOPS usage..:

                          I don't know enough about VM at this level - so don't crusify me if my question is stupid.

                          But if this is an OBR10, and no other VMs are having performance issues, and you're not limiting IOPs access to the VM somehow (maybe you are?) then why assume the storage is the root of the performance issue?

                          As Kris mentioned, wouldn't the host give the VM as much IOPs as it wants as long as the nothing else is asking for them?

                          Yes, it will use as many IOPS as it can that are available. So that alone isn't indicating a problem.

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                          • DustinB3403D
                            DustinB3403
                            last edited by DustinB3403

                            So the question that I have is, why should a single VM hitting 600-700 IOPS really be slow while running this?

                            Just make no sense when everything else on the host is running fine. Nothing I was able to capture showed anything else even coming close to a high usage.

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                            • scottalanmillerS
                              scottalanmiller
                              last edited by

                              How are you measuring the slowness? What does it "feel" like?

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                              • DashrenderD
                                Dashrender @DustinB3403
                                last edited by

                                @DustinB3403 said in Shadow Protect and Disk IOPS usage..:

                                So the question that I have is, why should a single VM hitting 600-700 IOPS really be slow while running this?

                                Just make no sense when everything else on the host is running fine. Nothing I was able to capture showed anything else even coming close to a high usage.

                                Maybe the problem isn't in hardware, but in a process that's running.

                                Now I don't understand why a process wouldn't have the processors pegged out (and perhaps a single core is pegged out - i.e. single threaded process) to allow the process to be completed as fast as possible.

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                                • DustinB3403D
                                  DustinB3403 @scottalanmiller
                                  last edited by

                                  @scottalanmiller said in Shadow Protect and Disk IOPS usage..:

                                  How are you measuring the slowness? What does it "feel" like?

                                  As was reported to me, an extremely long log in period. (It feels like listening to nails on a chalk board)

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                                  • DashrenderD
                                    Dashrender @DustinB3403
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                                    @DustinB3403 said in Shadow Protect and Disk IOPS usage..:

                                    @scottalanmiller said in Shadow Protect and Disk IOPS usage..:

                                    How are you measuring the slowness? What does it "feel" like?

                                    As was reported to me, an extremely long log in period. (It feels like listening to nails on a chalk board)

                                    Logging into the app or the server (VM)?

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                                    • DustinB3403D
                                      DustinB3403 @Dashrender
                                      last edited by

                                      @Dashrender said in Shadow Protect and Disk IOPS usage..:

                                      @DustinB3403 said in Shadow Protect and Disk IOPS usage..:

                                      @scottalanmiller said in Shadow Protect and Disk IOPS usage..:

                                      How are you measuring the slowness? What does it "feel" like?

                                      As was reported to me, an extremely long log in period. (It feels like listening to nails on a chalk board)

                                      Logging into the app or the server (VM)?

                                      Logging into the VM using the console, or RDP.

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                                      • dafyreD
                                        dafyre
                                        last edited by

                                        What's the CPU usage like in the VM?

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                                        • DustinB3403D
                                          DustinB3403
                                          last edited by

                                          Nominal CPU usage. 0_1479493833452_XenCenterMain_2016-11-18_13-30-26.png

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                                          • scottalanmillerS
                                            scottalanmiller
                                            last edited by

                                            Could it be waiting on something from the network?

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