How Do So Many People in IT Not Know What a Database Is?
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@s.hackleman said in How Do So Many People in IT Not Know What a Database Is?:
@scottalanmiller said in How Do So Many People in IT Not Know What a Database Is?:
@s.hackleman said in How Do So Many People in IT Not Know What a Database Is?:
I worked for a 45 branch retail chain that did everything for years in quick books. Active directory, firewalls, network, troubleshooting, and Excel was more than enough for a full time job, but never really had to use SQL for years. It happens a ton in small business 1-3 person IT shops.
Yes, but they ALWAYS use an application, not a database. Always, without exception. QuickBooks is an application. So the question is, how do they use QB and other applications and think that they are not applications?
I can explain confusing an Database for an Application, and thinking that the data behind an Application is just part of the application. I can also see how people wouldn't know what a Database is per say. I am stumped on specifically how you call an Application you are looking at, a Database.
Yeah, that's what I don't understand. Here is my database.... huh? That's an application, why did you call it a database?
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@Dashrender said in How Do So Many People in IT Not Know What a Database Is?:
@scottalanmiller said in How Do So Many People in IT Not Know What a Database Is?:
@s.hackleman said in How Do So Many People in IT Not Know What a Database Is?:
I worked for a 45 branch retail chain that did everything for years in quick books. Active directory, firewalls, network, troubleshooting, and Excel was more than enough for a full time job, but never really had to use SQL for years. It happens a ton in small business 1-3 person IT shops.
Yes, but they ALWAYS use an application, not a database. Always, without exception. QuickBooks is an application. So the question is, how do they use QB and other applications and think that they are not applications?
End users use the terms database and application interchangeably. of course we know that's wrong, but they do it just the same.
But working IT Pros.
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@Dashrender said in How Do So Many People in IT Not Know What a Database Is?:
@scottalanmiller said in How Do So Many People in IT Not Know What a Database Is?:
@s.hackleman said in How Do So Many People in IT Not Know What a Database Is?:
I worked for a 45 branch retail chain that did everything for years in quick books. Active directory, firewalls, network, troubleshooting, and Excel was more than enough for a full time job, but never really had to use SQL for years. It happens a ton in small business 1-3 person IT shops.
Yes, but they ALWAYS use an application, not a database. Always, without exception. QuickBooks is an application. So the question is, how do they use QB and other applications and think that they are not applications?
End users use the terms database and application interchangeably. of course we know that's wrong, but they do it just the same.
But the topic at hand is specifically IT professionals.
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@scottalanmiller said in How Do So Many People in IT Not Know What a Database Is?:
@Dashrender said in How Do So Many People in IT Not Know What a Database Is?:
@scottalanmiller said in How Do So Many People in IT Not Know What a Database Is?:
@s.hackleman said in How Do So Many People in IT Not Know What a Database Is?:
I worked for a 45 branch retail chain that did everything for years in quick books. Active directory, firewalls, network, troubleshooting, and Excel was more than enough for a full time job, but never really had to use SQL for years. It happens a ton in small business 1-3 person IT shops.
Yes, but they ALWAYS use an application, not a database. Always, without exception. QuickBooks is an application. So the question is, how do they use QB and other applications and think that they are not applications?
End users use the terms database and application interchangeably. of course we know that's wrong, but they do it just the same.
But working IT Pros.
Again, not really IT Pros.
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Just because they are posting in spiceworks does not make them an IT Pro
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@Dashrender said in How Do So Many People in IT Not Know What a Database Is?:
@RojoLoco said in How Do So Many People in IT Not Know What a Database Is?:
A database is the plastic feet under my desktop PC, right?
Wait, you mean the harddrive?
No, you must mean the "modem", right? Wait... now I'm confusing myself... the screen thingy on the desktop is the computer, isn't it?
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@Shuey said in How Do So Many People in IT Not Know What a Database Is?:
@Dashrender said in How Do So Many People in IT Not Know What a Database Is?:
@RojoLoco said in How Do So Many People in IT Not Know What a Database Is?:
A database is the plastic feet under my desktop PC, right?
Wait, you mean the harddrive?
No, you must mean the "modem", right? Wait... now I'm confusing myself... the screen thingy on the desktop is the computer, isn't it?
Had a young client the other day say "Oh, I'll go get you the computer"...and returned with a monitor, and said "Oh, the Harddrive is in there" - pointing to a cupboard with the PC in...like...I guess you're not wrong........but you're certainly not right :')
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@Dashrender said in How Do So Many People in IT Not Know What a Database Is?:
Just because they are posting in spiceworks does not make them an IT Pro
Technically, yes it does. It is still supposed to be only a community for IT professionals.
What it really is, does not change the definition.
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@JaredBusch said in How Do So Many People in IT Not Know What a Database Is?:
@Dashrender said in How Do So Many People in IT Not Know What a Database Is?:
Just because they are posting in spiceworks does not make them an IT Pro
Technically, yes it does. It is still supposed to be only a community for IT professionals.
What it really is, does not change the definition.
There is a sign the the garage that says certified tech only, so does that mean I'm a certified tech when I walk through the garage to my car?
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@Dashrender said in How Do So Many People in IT Not Know What a Database Is?:
@JaredBusch said in How Do So Many People in IT Not Know What a Database Is?:
@Dashrender said in How Do So Many People in IT Not Know What a Database Is?:
Just because they are posting in spiceworks does not make them an IT Pro
Technically, yes it does. It is still supposed to be only a community for IT professionals.
What it really is, does not change the definition.
There is a sign the the garage that says certified tech only, so does that mean I'm a certified tech when I walk through the garage to my car?
And now you'll be cute and say, well you're certified in IT right.. so you are a certified tech.. but my wife sure isn't.
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I blame CompTIA and their trifecta of terror. You can easily complete the three pluses without ever having to interact with a database. And everyone knows, if you have your A+, Network+, and Security+ you're immediately qualified to do any job that rests under the IT umbrella.
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@Dashrender said in How Do So Many People in IT Not Know What a Database Is?:
@JaredBusch said in How Do So Many People in IT Not Know What a Database Is?:
@Dashrender said in How Do So Many People in IT Not Know What a Database Is?:
Just because they are posting in spiceworks does not make them an IT Pro
Technically, yes it does. It is still supposed to be only a community for IT professionals.
What it really is, does not change the definition.
There is a sign the the garage that says certified tech only, so does that mean I'm a certified tech when I walk through the garage to my car?
not at all the same thing.
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@JaredBusch said in How Do So Many People in IT Not Know What a Database Is?:
@Dashrender said in How Do So Many People in IT Not Know What a Database Is?:
@JaredBusch said in How Do So Many People in IT Not Know What a Database Is?:
@Dashrender said in How Do So Many People in IT Not Know What a Database Is?:
Just because they are posting in spiceworks does not make them an IT Pro
Technically, yes it does. It is still supposed to be only a community for IT professionals.
What it really is, does not change the definition.
There is a sign the the garage that says certified tech only, so does that mean I'm a certified tech when I walk through the garage to my car?
not at all the same thing.
How is it not? Is there a guy at the door to SW that says - hey, let me quiz you and ensure you're really an IT person before you make your first post. Of course there's not. There's zero barrier to entry. If my boss wanted to make a post there she could, and she's definitely not going to have some little statement on the page like By IT Pros for IT Pros stop her from posting.. she only knows that it's a place where IT people are giving away free advice - so she'd post.
While a bit different, the garage doesn't make me stop the car at the door get out and let them drive it in and out of the garage, no, I get to pull in and drive out even though there is a sign stating otherwise.
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@RamblingBiped said in How Do So Many People in IT Not Know What a Database Is?:
I blame CompTIA and their trifecta of terror. You can easily complete the three pluses without ever having to interact with a database. And everyone knows, if you have your A+, Network+, and Security+ you're immediately qualified to do any job that rests under the IT umbrella.
Huh - You really think that someone who passes these three exams would not understand the difference between an Application and a DB? I guess it's possible.
now that said, would they still be LAZY and use the terms interchangeably? Sure, why not - the lay person will have no clue, and well, if you're lazy long enough, you just always do that... but it doesn't mean they don't know the difference.
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@Dashrender said in How Do So Many People in IT Not Know What a Database Is?:
@scottalanmiller said in How Do So Many People in IT Not Know What a Database Is?:
But seriously, I get that databases might be a tad confusing to people who've not studying anything about IT. But for people who work in IT, often for years, and work with applications every day to not know what an application is? I just don't get it.
I know you said that SW removes non IT posts - but how can they tell this is a manager of some team who was just tasked with finding a solution and is an actual IT person? Link?
So I asked for a link - I really want to know, does this person really not know the difference? or are they being lazy? Scott said he didn't want to blast this one poster so he didn't provide a link.
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@Dashrender said in How Do So Many People in IT Not Know What a Database Is?:
@RamblingBiped said in How Do So Many People in IT Not Know What a Database Is?:
I blame CompTIA and their trifecta of terror. You can easily complete the three pluses without ever having to interact with a database. And everyone knows, if you have your A+, Network+, and Security+ you're immediately qualified to do any job that rests under the IT umbrella.
Huh - You really think that someone who passes these three exams would not understand the difference between an Application and a DB? I guess it's possible.
now that said, would they still be LAZY and use the terms interchangeably? Sure, why not - the lay person will have no clue, and well, if you're lazy long enough, you just always do that... but it doesn't mean they don't know the difference.
Maybe I misread the initial context of Scott's post. I think a person can get through CompTIA's big three without having a solid conceptual understanding of how a database works WITH an application. That being said, I could also see some people not understanding the difference between the two either.
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@JaredBusch said in How Do So Many People in IT Not Know What a Database Is?:
@Dashrender said in How Do So Many People in IT Not Know What a Database Is?:
Just because they are posting in spiceworks does not make them an IT Pro
Technically, yes it does. It is still supposed to be only a community for IT professionals.
What it really is, does not change the definition.
And they do have a flag for people to get reported for not being an IT pro and they will call people and interview them to see if they are legit in some way, like by pulling salary for doing that work.
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@scottalanmiller said in How Do So Many People in IT Not Know What a Database Is?:
@JaredBusch said in How Do So Many People in IT Not Know What a Database Is?:
@Dashrender said in How Do So Many People in IT Not Know What a Database Is?:
Just because they are posting in spiceworks does not make them an IT Pro
Technically, yes it does. It is still supposed to be only a community for IT professionals.
What it really is, does not change the definition.
And they do have a flag for people to get reported for not being an IT pro and they will call people and interview them to see if they are legit in some way, like by pulling salary for doing that work.
Wow - that's actually pretty amazing that they would spend the time/money curating like that.
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@Dashrender said in How Do So Many People in IT Not Know What a Database Is?:
@scottalanmiller said in How Do So Many People in IT Not Know What a Database Is?:
@JaredBusch said in How Do So Many People in IT Not Know What a Database Is?:
@Dashrender said in How Do So Many People in IT Not Know What a Database Is?:
Just because they are posting in spiceworks does not make them an IT Pro
Technically, yes it does. It is still supposed to be only a community for IT professionals.
What it really is, does not change the definition.
And they do have a flag for people to get reported for not being an IT pro and they will call people and interview them to see if they are legit in some way, like by pulling salary for doing that work.
Wow - that's actually pretty amazing that they would spend the time/money curating like that.
Kind of have to for what they do.
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Here is an example.
Why mention a database? It's purely a question about finding the right application, but gets stuck talking about databases.
