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    • FATeknollogeeF
      FATeknollogee
      last edited by scottalanmiller

      @DustinB3403 thread: https://mangolassi.it/topic/8537/how-to-clone-a-xen-usb-on-windows shows how to clone USB.

      How do you clone with zero downtime or without removing the USB?

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      • DustinB3403D
        DustinB3403 @FATeknollogee
        last edited by

        @FATeknollogee said in XenServer 7.0: clone USB (without removing):

        @DustinB3403 thread: https://mangolassi.it/topic/8537/how-to-clone-a-xen-usb-on-windows shows how to clone USB.

        How do you clone with zero downtime or without removing the USB?

        You can't, at least not from what I tested (prior to stopping logging). Which is I test that long before I looked into the logging issue.

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        • scottalanmillerS
          scottalanmiller
          last edited by

          What does dd do if you try it normally?

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          • DustinB3403D
            DustinB3403 @scottalanmiller
            last edited by

            @scottalanmiller said in XenServer 7.0: clone USB (without removing):

            What does dd do if you try it normally?

            dd worked fine if I was cloning an XS USB to another, mounted in a Linux environment.

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            • BRRABillB
              BRRABill @scottalanmiller
              last edited by

              @scottalanmiller said in XenServer 7.0: clone USB (without removing):

              What does dd do if you try it normally?

              I just does not work.

              We decided on the other thread because of /proc but then you said that was ridiculous or something.

              But I think the answer is shut it down, clone the USB on another machine, then restart.

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              • scottalanmillerS
                scottalanmiller @DustinB3403
                last edited by

                @DustinB3403 said in XenServer 7.0: clone USB (without removing):

                @scottalanmiller said in XenServer 7.0: clone USB (without removing):

                What does dd do if you try it normally?

                dd worked fine if I was cloning an XS USB to another, mounted in a Linux environment.

                Does Linux not mount the XS boot media in the Dom0? If not, then I see the problem.

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                • scottalanmillerS
                  scottalanmiller @BRRABill
                  last edited by

                  @BRRABill said in XenServer 7.0: clone USB (without removing):

                  @scottalanmiller said in XenServer 7.0: clone USB (without removing):

                  What does dd do if you try it normally?

                  I just does not work.

                  We decided on the other thread because of /proc but then you said that was ridiculous or something.

                  Yes, once /proc was mentioned I assumed that the statement that it didn't work was moot because it meant something totally unrelated was attempted as /proc is not on the USB (or on anything) and would not be a factor. So that meant that imaging the USB stick had not been attempted yet.

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                  • BRRABillB
                    BRRABill @scottalanmiller
                    last edited by

                    @scottalanmiller said in XenServer 7.0: clone USB (without removing):

                    @BRRABill said in XenServer 7.0: clone USB (without removing):

                    @scottalanmiller said in XenServer 7.0: clone USB (without removing):

                    What does dd do if you try it normally?

                    I just does not work.

                    We decided on the other thread because of /proc but then you said that was ridiculous or something.

                    Yes, once /proc was mentioned I assumed that the statement that it didn't work was moot because it meant something totally unrelated was attempted as /proc is not on the USB (or on anything) and would not be a factor. So that meant that imaging the USB stick had not been attempted yet.

                    I'm not saying I agreed with it.

                    I'm just saying it did not work.

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                    • scottalanmillerS
                      scottalanmiller @BRRABill
                      last edited by

                      @BRRABill said in XenServer 7.0: clone USB (without removing):

                      I'm just saying it did not work.

                      And I was just saying that it must not have been attempted given the error. Someone tried to dd something else instead of the USB stick.

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                      • BRRABillB
                        BRRABill @scottalanmiller
                        last edited by

                        @scottalanmiller said in XenServer 7.0: clone USB (without removing):

                        @BRRABill said in XenServer 7.0: clone USB (without removing):

                        I'm just saying it did not work.

                        And I was just saying that it must not have been attempted given the error. Someone tried to dd something else instead of the USB stick.

                        So, what command would you use to use dd to clone my running XS USB boot device?

                        
                        NAME                                                                                            MAJ:MIN RM   SIZE RO TYPE MOUNTPOINT
                        sda                                                                                               8:0    0 447.1G  0 disk
                        └─XSLocalEXT--40f7cced--9587--c38f--e152--057e4ec2b2d0-40f7cced--9587--c38f--e152--057e4ec2b2d0 253:0    0 447.1G  0 lvm  /run/sr-mount/40f7cced-9587-c38f-e152-057e4ec2b2d0
                        sdb                                                                                               8:16   0 149.1G  0 disk
                        ├─sdb1                                                                                            8:17   0    18G  0 part /
                        ├─sdb2                                                                                            8:18   0    18G  0 part
                        ├─sdb3                                                                                            8:19   0   512M  0 part
                        ├─sdb5                                                                                            8:21   0     4G  0 part /var/log
                        └─sdb6                                                                                            8:22   0     1G  0 part [SWAP]
                        sr0                                                                                              11:0    1  1024M  0 rom
                        tda                                                                                             254:0    0   100G  0 disk
                        loop0                                                                                             7:0    0  54.8M  1 loop /var/xen/xc-install
                        [
                        
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                        • DustinB3403D
                          DustinB3403
                          last edited by DustinB3403

                          I tried using dd on my lab, from /sda to /sdb files were copied, but the drive wasn't bootable.

                          I had to shutdown the host remove the drive and use dd on a separate linux system to create a working clone.

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                          • BRRABillB
                            BRRABill @DustinB3403
                            last edited by

                            @DustinB3403 said in XenServer 7.0: clone USB (without removing):

                            I tried using dd on my lab, from /sda to /sdb files were copied, but the drive wasn't bootable.

                            I had to shutdown the host remove the drive and use dd on a separate linux system to create a working clone.

                            This was the thread.

                            https://www.mangolassi.it/topic/9425/cloning-xenserver-on-usb-or-sd/37

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                            • BRRABillB
                              BRRABill @BRRABill
                              last edited by

                              @scottalanmiller

                              Said something about the partitioning layer being copied if you use /sda, but we never finished out that thread.

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                              • scottalanmillerS
                                scottalanmiller @BRRABill
                                last edited by

                                @BRRABill said in XenServer 7.0: clone USB (without removing):

                                @scottalanmiller said in XenServer 7.0: clone USB (without removing):

                                @BRRABill said in XenServer 7.0: clone USB (without removing):

                                I'm just saying it did not work.

                                And I was just saying that it must not have been attempted given the error. Someone tried to dd something else instead of the USB stick.

                                So, what command would you use to use dd to clone my running XS USB boot device?

                                
                                NAME                                                                                            MAJ:MIN RM   SIZE RO TYPE MOUNTPOINT
                                sda                                                                                               8:0    0 447.1G  0 disk
                                └─XSLocalEXT--40f7cced--9587--c38f--e152--057e4ec2b2d0-40f7cced--9587--c38f--e152--057e4ec2b2d0 253:0    0 447.1G  0 lvm  /run/sr-mount/40f7cced-9587-c38f-e152-057e4ec2b2d0
                                sdb                                                                                               8:16   0 149.1G  0 disk
                                ├─sdb1                                                                                            8:17   0    18G  0 part /
                                ├─sdb2                                                                                            8:18   0    18G  0 part
                                ├─sdb3                                                                                            8:19   0   512M  0 part
                                ├─sdb5                                                                                            8:21   0     4G  0 part /var/log
                                └─sdb6                                                                                            8:22   0     1G  0 part [SWAP]
                                sr0                                                                                              11:0    1  1024M  0 rom
                                tda                                                                                             254:0    0   100G  0 disk
                                loop0                                                                                             7:0    0  54.8M  1 loop /var/xen/xc-install
                                [
                                

                                Which of those is the USB stick?

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                                • DashrenderD
                                  Dashrender
                                  last edited by

                                  can you dd it to a file, then dd that file to a new USB stick?

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                                  • scottalanmillerS
                                    scottalanmiller @Dashrender
                                    last edited by

                                    @Dashrender said in XenServer 7.0: clone USB (without removing):

                                    can you dd it to a file, then dd that file to a new USB stick?

                                    Yes, dd to a file is how ISO files are made.

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                                    • BRRABillB
                                      BRRABill @scottalanmiller
                                      last edited by

                                      @scottalanmiller said in XenServer 7.0: clone USB (without removing):

                                      @BRRABill said in XenServer 7.0: clone USB (without removing):

                                      @scottalanmiller said in XenServer 7.0: clone USB (without removing):

                                      @BRRABill said in XenServer 7.0: clone USB (without removing):

                                      I'm just saying it did not work.

                                      And I was just saying that it must not have been attempted given the error. Someone tried to dd something else instead of the USB stick.

                                      So, what command would you use to use dd to clone my running XS USB boot device?

                                      
                                      NAME                                                                                            MAJ:MIN RM   SIZE RO TYPE MOUNTPOINT
                                      sda                                                                                               8:0    0 447.1G  0 disk
                                      └─XSLocalEXT--40f7cced--9587--c38f--e152--057e4ec2b2d0-40f7cced--9587--c38f--e152--057e4ec2b2d0 253:0    0 447.1G  0 lvm  /run/sr-mount/40f7cced-9587-c38f-e152-057e4ec2b2d0
                                      sdb                                                                                               8:16   0 149.1G  0 disk
                                      ├─sdb1                                                                                            8:17   0    18G  0 part /
                                      ├─sdb2                                                                                            8:18   0    18G  0 part
                                      ├─sdb3                                                                                            8:19   0   512M  0 part
                                      ├─sdb5                                                                                            8:21   0     4G  0 part /var/log
                                      └─sdb6                                                                                            8:22   0     1G  0 part [SWAP]
                                      sr0                                                                                              11:0    1  1024M  0 rom
                                      tda                                                                                             254:0    0   100G  0 disk
                                      loop0                                                                                             7:0    0  54.8M  1 loop /var/xen/xc-install
                                      [
                                      

                                      Which of those is the USB stick?

                                      I figured you'd know!

                                      /sdb

                                      /sdb1 is the 18GB XenServer host control domain (dom0) partition
                                      /sdb2 is the backup parittion
                                      /sdb3 is the UEFI boot partition
                                      /sdb5 is the logs partition
                                      /sdb6 is the swap partition

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                                      • BRRABillB
                                        BRRABill @BRRABill
                                        last edited by

                                        @BRRABill said

                                        /sdb6 is the swap partition

                                        Would THIS also cause writing to the USB stick?

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                                        • DustinB3403D
                                          DustinB3403 @BRRABill
                                          last edited by

                                          @BRRABill said in XenServer 7.0: clone USB (without removing):

                                          @scottalanmiller said in XenServer 7.0: clone USB (without removing):

                                          @BRRABill said in XenServer 7.0: clone USB (without removing):

                                          @scottalanmiller said in XenServer 7.0: clone USB (without removing):

                                          @BRRABill said in XenServer 7.0: clone USB (without removing):

                                          I'm just saying it did not work.

                                          And I was just saying that it must not have been attempted given the error. Someone tried to dd something else instead of the USB stick.

                                          So, what command would you use to use dd to clone my running XS USB boot device?

                                          
                                          NAME                                                                                            MAJ:MIN RM   SIZE RO TYPE MOUNTPOINT
                                          sda                                                                                               8:0    0 447.1G  0 disk
                                          └─XSLocalEXT--40f7cced--9587--c38f--e152--057e4ec2b2d0-40f7cced--9587--c38f--e152--057e4ec2b2d0 253:0    0 447.1G  0 lvm  /run/sr-mount/40f7cced-9587-c38f-e152-057e4ec2b2d0
                                          sdb                                                                                               8:16   0 149.1G  0 disk
                                          ├─sdb1                                                                                            8:17   0    18G  0 part /
                                          ├─sdb2                                                                                            8:18   0    18G  0 part
                                          ├─sdb3                                                                                            8:19   0   512M  0 part
                                          ├─sdb5                                                                                            8:21   0     4G  0 part /var/log
                                          └─sdb6                                                                                            8:22   0     1G  0 part [SWAP]
                                          sr0                                                                                              11:0    1  1024M  0 rom
                                          tda                                                                                             254:0    0   100G  0 disk
                                          loop0                                                                                             7:0    0  54.8M  1 loop /var/xen/xc-install
                                          [
                                          

                                          Which of those is the USB stick?

                                          I figured you'd know!

                                          /sdb

                                          /sdb1 is the 18GB XenServer host control domain (dom0) partition
                                          /sdb2 is the backup parittion
                                          /sdb3 is the UEFI boot partition
                                          /sdb5 is the logs partition
                                          /sdb6 is the swap partition

                                          You have to clone the entire drive though, you can't just pick and chose. Otherwise it's not cloning a working, bootable drive, just a partition on the drive.

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                                          • BRRABillB
                                            BRRABill @DustinB3403
                                            last edited by

                                            @DustinB3403 said in XenServer 7.0: clone USB (without removing):

                                            @BRRABill said in XenServer 7.0: clone USB (without removing):

                                            @scottalanmiller said in XenServer 7.0: clone USB (without removing):

                                            @BRRABill said in XenServer 7.0: clone USB (without removing):

                                            @scottalanmiller said in XenServer 7.0: clone USB (without removing):

                                            @BRRABill said in XenServer 7.0: clone USB (without removing):

                                            I'm just saying it did not work.

                                            And I was just saying that it must not have been attempted given the error. Someone tried to dd something else instead of the USB stick.

                                            So, what command would you use to use dd to clone my running XS USB boot device?

                                            
                                            NAME                                                                                            MAJ:MIN RM   SIZE RO TYPE MOUNTPOINT
                                            sda                                                                                               8:0    0 447.1G  0 disk
                                            └─XSLocalEXT--40f7cced--9587--c38f--e152--057e4ec2b2d0-40f7cced--9587--c38f--e152--057e4ec2b2d0 253:0    0 447.1G  0 lvm  /run/sr-mount/40f7cced-9587-c38f-e152-057e4ec2b2d0
                                            sdb                                                                                               8:16   0 149.1G  0 disk
                                            ├─sdb1                                                                                            8:17   0    18G  0 part /
                                            ├─sdb2                                                                                            8:18   0    18G  0 part
                                            ├─sdb3                                                                                            8:19   0   512M  0 part
                                            ├─sdb5                                                                                            8:21   0     4G  0 part /var/log
                                            └─sdb6                                                                                            8:22   0     1G  0 part [SWAP]
                                            sr0                                                                                              11:0    1  1024M  0 rom
                                            tda                                                                                             254:0    0   100G  0 disk
                                            loop0                                                                                             7:0    0  54.8M  1 loop /var/xen/xc-install
                                            [
                                            

                                            Which of those is the USB stick?

                                            I figured you'd know!

                                            /sdb

                                            /sdb1 is the 18GB XenServer host control domain (dom0) partition
                                            /sdb2 is the backup parittion
                                            /sdb3 is the UEFI boot partition
                                            /sdb5 is the logs partition
                                            /sdb6 is the swap partition

                                            You have to clone the entire drive though, you can't just pick and chose. Otherwise it's not cloning a working, bootable drive, just a partition on the drive.

                                            That's what I thought, but @scottalanmiller said that also copies the partitioning scheme. Which I thought you would want, but it sounded negative.

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