Vendor Harassment Black List
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@scottalanmiller said in Vendor Harassment Black List:
@Breffni-Potter said in Vendor Harassment Black List:
Should my 1 bad experience of them justify them going on a black list?
Reverse that, why not?
Because let's say i have 1 bad experience with a piece of marketing, or a comment, or something from any company. We know that people are prone to making mistakes from time to time, we also know that if you are the recipient of the mistake, if you are having a bad day, your reaction might be the worse for it.
Next thing, that person posts about brand X. Says they are annoying/terrible. Don't buy from them.
Now at the moment, anyone can freely do that by creating a thread, posting replies or however they wish to do that and we as a community can reply, ask questions, do digging.
But...you want a wall of shame, which anyone can list a company on?
It's not a good first start for a relationship with the good companies out there if they see "Hey we have this black-list, behave or we'll put you on it."
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@BBigford said in Vendor Harassment Black List:
@scottalanmiller said in Vendor Harassment Black List:
So propose an alternative... just allow anyone and everyone to continue to call without setting up an appointment and getting approved to call? Under what condition would an IT professional ever want an unsolicited vendor call? I say... literally never.
The only reason, ever, I'd want a call from a vendor is I asked them to call me during a certain time to show me a demo or talk about their product. That's about it... and even then, most of that can be taken care of via email.
Exactly
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@Breffni-Potter said in Vendor Harassment Black List:
Also let's say I throw a moody moment and decide to dislike...Webroot.
Well, as a good vendor Webroot never, ever calls me. So it would not impact them in any way. So what's the downside?
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@Breffni-Potter said in Vendor Harassment Black List:
@scottalanmiller said in Vendor Harassment Black List:
@Breffni-Potter said in Vendor Harassment Black List:
Should my 1 bad experience of them justify them going on a black list?
Reverse that, why not?
Hey we have this black-list, behave or we'll put you on it.
Actually... I think all vendors should be held to that standard. They shouldn't be under the assumption they can straight up harass people if they are told to stop calling.
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So, how would this black-list work ? Would it be moderated ? How ?
"I'm thinking NTG is direct competitor .. wait, I have an idea .. let me add their name to vendor black-list ... just for shits n giggles ...hehehe ... :rowboat_tone4: "
How do we avoid a situation like this ?
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@Veet said in Vendor Harassment Black List:
So, how would this black-list work ? Would it be moderated ? How ?
"I'm thinking NTG is direct competitor .. wait, I have an idea .. let me add their name to vendor black-list ... just for shits n giggles ...hehehe ... :rowboat_tone4: "
How do we avoid a situation like this ?
How many phone calls have you gotten from NTG??? And that's why such an attempt at a BS entry would fail. Companies who phone harass are well known, as many here would have received harassing calls.
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@RojoLoco said in Vendor Harassment Black List:
@Veet said in Vendor Harassment Black List:
So, how would this black-list work ? Would it be moderated ? How ?
"I'm thinking NTG is direct competitor .. wait, I have an idea .. let me add their name to vendor black-list ... just for shits n giggles ...hehehe ... :rowboat_tone4: "
How do we avoid a situation like this ?
How many phone calls have you gotten from NTG??? And that's why such an attempt at a BS entry would fail. Companies who phone harass are well known, as many here would have received harassing calls.
Anyone who tried to put a reputable company (regarded by many) on the black list would get some serious criticism and questioning.
"Derrrp let's put @BradfromxByte on the black list cause I'm a competitor!" ..... yeah I don't think so.
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@Veet said in Vendor Harassment Black List:
So, how would this black-list work ? Would it be moderated ? How ?
"I'm thinking NTG is direct competitor .. wait, I have an idea .. let me add their name to vendor black-list ... just for shits n giggles ...hehehe ... :rowboat_tone4: "
How do we avoid a situation like this ?
Well, because we are a community and no one gets the list automatically. Two, we never cold call so it would have zero impact on us
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So, you're saying IBM is not reputable ? , huh ?
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@Veet said in Vendor Harassment Black List:
So, you're saying IBM is not reputable ? , huh ?
At this point... if they are harassing people, then no.
Not saying they don't make good gear, but more that their sales folks are not reputable enough to stay off the black list.
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we keep our own internal blacklist for pushy or harassing vendors. I had to actually cut one off the other day. I think a public one would be too easily abused / require too much verification and maintenance
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@Veet said in Vendor Harassment Black List:
So, you're saying IBM is not reputable ? , huh ?
Definitely not. I've worked there, even IBM won't use IBM equipment. They are harassing by both email and phone. They are not what I'd call reputable in many contexts of that term.
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@Brains said in Vendor Harassment Black List:
we keep our own internal blacklist for pushy or harassing vendors. I had to actually cut one off the other day. I think a public one would be too easily abused / require too much verification and maintenance
See, and that's info that we would like to have. We don't have to have to make that same list of those same people ourselves. We'd love to share that data to save us both time.
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@BBigford said in Vendor Harassment Black List:
@Veet said in Vendor Harassment Black List:
So, you're saying IBM is not reputable ? , huh ?
At this point... if they are harassing people, then no.
Not saying they don't make good gear, but more that their sales folks are not reputable enough to stay off the black list.
Exactly. And even if they were reputable.... 1) we are not even remotely a potential customer and 2) under what condition would we want a sales call from them?
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@scottalanmiller said in Vendor Harassment Black List:
@Veet said in Vendor Harassment Black List:
So, you're saying IBM is not reputable ? , huh ?
Definitely not. I've worked there, even IBM won't use IBM equipment. They are harassing by both email and phone. They are not what I'd call reputable in many contexts of that term.
(Just for the sake of this thread ) "Sir, I think IBM is a very reputable company .. I work for IBM, it seems like you've had a bad experience during your tenure with IBM, which is way you are defaming out company"
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So instead of "should we have a blacklist", let's first discuss....
Under what condition should any sales call make it through to IT or management?
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@Veet said in Vendor Harassment Black List:
@scottalanmiller said in Vendor Harassment Black List:
@Veet said in Vendor Harassment Black List:
So, you're saying IBM is not reputable ? , huh ?
Definitely not. I've worked there, even IBM won't use IBM equipment. They are harassing by both email and phone. They are not what I'd call reputable in many contexts of that term.
(Just for the sake of this thread ) "Sir, I think IBM is a very reputable company .. I work for IBM, it seems like you've had a bad experience during your tenure with IBM, which is way you are defaming out company"
Not defaming, just repeating IBM's own official policy on itself. IF there is defamation, it's internal.
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@Veet said in Vendor Harassment Black List:
@scottalanmiller said in Vendor Harassment Black List:
@Veet said in Vendor Harassment Black List:
So, you're saying IBM is not reputable ? , huh ?
Definitely not. I've worked there, even IBM won't use IBM equipment. They are harassing by both email and phone. They are not what I'd call reputable in many contexts of that term.
(Just for the sake of this thread ) "Sir, I think IBM is a very reputable company .. I work for IBM, it seems like you've had a bad experience during your tenure with IBM, which is way you are defaming out company"
Who's to say that entries on the blacklist couldn't be redetermined? Nothing is ever permanent. IPs get off blacklists every day.
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@scottalanmiller - while I back your intent, I don't think a community based black-list would work ...
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@Brains said in Vendor Harassment Black List:
we keep our own internal blacklist for pushy or harassing vendors. I had to actually cut one off the other day. I think a public one would be too easily abused / require too much verification and maintenance
I agree ...
