Anyone Using Windows 10 Hyper-V with Linux to Replace Dual Booting?
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@scottalanmiller said in Anyone Using Windows 10 Hyper-V with Linux to Replace Dual Booting?:
@dafyre said in Anyone Using Windows 10 Hyper-V with Linux to Replace Dual Booting?:
@scottalanmiller said in Anyone Using Windows 10 Hyper-V with Linux to Replace Dual Booting?:
@wirestyle22 said in Anyone Using Windows 10 Hyper-V with Linux to Replace Dual Booting?:
IMO what @dafyre said is accurate. I have tried a bunch of different ways to game on windows while keeping Linux accessible and the only way it ever works right in my experience is to install windows and run linux in a VM. I always run into problems trying to do it any other way.
But what about with Hyper-V? Have you tried this?
Hyper-V won't get you the hardware support you need for Cinnamon, as far as I know.
The RemoteFX stuff only works via RDP and when set up as part of a RDSH infrastructure.
Don't want RemoteFX, I still just want the local console. But yeah, I fear that there will be no GPU support for the secondary VMs (not Dom0).
VirtualBox will likely be your better choice here, then.
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Hyper-V supports dedicated GPU's to the VM's though..
Why go with a type 2 for it....
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@dafyre said in Anyone Using Windows 10 Hyper-V with Linux to Replace Dual Booting?:
@scottalanmiller said in Anyone Using Windows 10 Hyper-V with Linux to Replace Dual Booting?:
@dafyre said in Anyone Using Windows 10 Hyper-V with Linux to Replace Dual Booting?:
@scottalanmiller said in Anyone Using Windows 10 Hyper-V with Linux to Replace Dual Booting?:
@wirestyle22 said in Anyone Using Windows 10 Hyper-V with Linux to Replace Dual Booting?:
IMO what @dafyre said is accurate. I have tried a bunch of different ways to game on windows while keeping Linux accessible and the only way it ever works right in my experience is to install windows and run linux in a VM. I always run into problems trying to do it any other way.
But what about with Hyper-V? Have you tried this?
Hyper-V won't get you the hardware support you need for Cinnamon, as far as I know.
The RemoteFX stuff only works via RDP and when set up as part of a RDSH infrastructure.
Don't want RemoteFX, I still just want the local console. But yeah, I fear that there will be no GPU support for the secondary VMs (not Dom0).
VirtualBox will likely be your better choice here, then.
Ugh, I've done that but I don't like it. I'd probably rather dual boot and just suck it up. I was planning to dual boot all along, but was just hoping for a better option. Since I'm 100% Linux now, it's not that big of a deal. I've not used Windows in eight months, so I'll just continue to not have it.
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@DustinB3403 said in Anyone Using Windows 10 Hyper-V with Linux to Replace Dual Booting?:
Hyper-V supports dedicated GPU's to the VM's though..
Why go with a type 2 for it....
Does it? That's really what I'm asking in this thread. Do the secondary VMs really get access to all of that GPU power?
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@scottalanmiller said in Anyone Using Windows 10 Hyper-V with Linux to Replace Dual Booting?:
@dafyre said in Anyone Using Windows 10 Hyper-V with Linux to Replace Dual Booting?:
@scottalanmiller said in Anyone Using Windows 10 Hyper-V with Linux to Replace Dual Booting?:
@dafyre said in Anyone Using Windows 10 Hyper-V with Linux to Replace Dual Booting?:
@scottalanmiller said in Anyone Using Windows 10 Hyper-V with Linux to Replace Dual Booting?:
@wirestyle22 said in Anyone Using Windows 10 Hyper-V with Linux to Replace Dual Booting?:
IMO what @dafyre said is accurate. I have tried a bunch of different ways to game on windows while keeping Linux accessible and the only way it ever works right in my experience is to install windows and run linux in a VM. I always run into problems trying to do it any other way.
But what about with Hyper-V? Have you tried this?
Hyper-V won't get you the hardware support you need for Cinnamon, as far as I know.
The RemoteFX stuff only works via RDP and when set up as part of a RDSH infrastructure.
Don't want RemoteFX, I still just want the local console. But yeah, I fear that there will be no GPU support for the secondary VMs (not Dom0).
VirtualBox will likely be your better choice here, then.
Ugh, I've done that but I don't like it. I'd probably rather dual boot and just suck it up. I was planning to dual boot all along, but was just hoping for a better option. Since I'm 100% Linux now, it's not that big of a deal. I've not used Windows in eight months, so I'll just continue to not have it.
You are using other devices to play games, right?
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@DustinB3403 said in Anyone Using Windows 10 Hyper-V with Linux to Replace Dual Booting?:
Hyper-V supports dedicated GPU's to the VM's though..
Why go with a type 2 for it....
Because in order to activate the GPU stuff, you have to be able to add RemoteFX to the VM... RemoteFX only works if you are connecting via RDP... and only works with Windows.
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@scottalanmiller I know it's a VM option, I don't know how much of the power is received but it is there.
I just saw it on a thread over there as someone was asking a very similar question.
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@dafyre said in Anyone Using Windows 10 Hyper-V with Linux to Replace Dual Booting?:
@scottalanmiller said in Anyone Using Windows 10 Hyper-V with Linux to Replace Dual Booting?:
@dafyre said in Anyone Using Windows 10 Hyper-V with Linux to Replace Dual Booting?:
@scottalanmiller said in Anyone Using Windows 10 Hyper-V with Linux to Replace Dual Booting?:
@dafyre said in Anyone Using Windows 10 Hyper-V with Linux to Replace Dual Booting?:
@scottalanmiller said in Anyone Using Windows 10 Hyper-V with Linux to Replace Dual Booting?:
@wirestyle22 said in Anyone Using Windows 10 Hyper-V with Linux to Replace Dual Booting?:
IMO what @dafyre said is accurate. I have tried a bunch of different ways to game on windows while keeping Linux accessible and the only way it ever works right in my experience is to install windows and run linux in a VM. I always run into problems trying to do it any other way.
But what about with Hyper-V? Have you tried this?
Hyper-V won't get you the hardware support you need for Cinnamon, as far as I know.
The RemoteFX stuff only works via RDP and when set up as part of a RDSH infrastructure.
Don't want RemoteFX, I still just want the local console. But yeah, I fear that there will be no GPU support for the secondary VMs (not Dom0).
VirtualBox will likely be your better choice here, then.
Ugh, I've done that but I don't like it. I'd probably rather dual boot and just suck it up. I was planning to dual boot all along, but was just hoping for a better option. Since I'm 100% Linux now, it's not that big of a deal. I've not used Windows in eight months, so I'll just continue to not have it.
You are using other devices to play games, right?
yes, but I don't want to not have game options on this one too, especially as it will be slightly more powerful than my current game system (same laptop, but with 2GB less on the GPU.)
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If you really want to get this done in a way that we know works, XenServer. I haven't tried this myself yet, haven't wanted to risk taking the beast at home down for days messing with it, but I have seriously considered installing it to run two gaming instances on a single box. Don't think the R9 290 will handle more than two gaming sessions at once.
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@scottalanmiller said in Anyone Using Windows 10 Hyper-V with Linux to Replace Dual Booting?:
@dafyre said in Anyone Using Windows 10 Hyper-V with Linux to Replace Dual Booting?:
@scottalanmiller said in Anyone Using Windows 10 Hyper-V with Linux to Replace Dual Booting?:
@dafyre said in Anyone Using Windows 10 Hyper-V with Linux to Replace Dual Booting?:
@scottalanmiller said in Anyone Using Windows 10 Hyper-V with Linux to Replace Dual Booting?:
@dafyre said in Anyone Using Windows 10 Hyper-V with Linux to Replace Dual Booting?:
@scottalanmiller said in Anyone Using Windows 10 Hyper-V with Linux to Replace Dual Booting?:
@wirestyle22 said in Anyone Using Windows 10 Hyper-V with Linux to Replace Dual Booting?:
IMO what @dafyre said is accurate. I have tried a bunch of different ways to game on windows while keeping Linux accessible and the only way it ever works right in my experience is to install windows and run linux in a VM. I always run into problems trying to do it any other way.
But what about with Hyper-V? Have you tried this?
Hyper-V won't get you the hardware support you need for Cinnamon, as far as I know.
The RemoteFX stuff only works via RDP and when set up as part of a RDSH infrastructure.
Don't want RemoteFX, I still just want the local console. But yeah, I fear that there will be no GPU support for the secondary VMs (not Dom0).
VirtualBox will likely be your better choice here, then.
Ugh, I've done that but I don't like it. I'd probably rather dual boot and just suck it up. I was planning to dual boot all along, but was just hoping for a better option. Since I'm 100% Linux now, it's not that big of a deal. I've not used Windows in eight months, so I'll just continue to not have it.
You are using other devices to play games, right?
yes, but I don't want to not have game options on this one too, especially as it will be slightly more powerful than my current game system (same laptop, but with 2GB less on the GPU.)
Your alternative is to use Mate or LXDE or XFCE... Those don't require hardware acceleration but still give you a nice looking UI (I like Mate, lol)... and you don't have to Dual boot...
Otherwise, I'd suggest dual booting if you want to play games.
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@dafyre said in Anyone Using Windows 10 Hyper-V with Linux to Replace Dual Booting?:
@scottalanmiller said in Anyone Using Windows 10 Hyper-V with Linux to Replace Dual Booting?:
@dafyre said in Anyone Using Windows 10 Hyper-V with Linux to Replace Dual Booting?:
@scottalanmiller said in Anyone Using Windows 10 Hyper-V with Linux to Replace Dual Booting?:
@dafyre said in Anyone Using Windows 10 Hyper-V with Linux to Replace Dual Booting?:
@scottalanmiller said in Anyone Using Windows 10 Hyper-V with Linux to Replace Dual Booting?:
@dafyre said in Anyone Using Windows 10 Hyper-V with Linux to Replace Dual Booting?:
@scottalanmiller said in Anyone Using Windows 10 Hyper-V with Linux to Replace Dual Booting?:
@wirestyle22 said in Anyone Using Windows 10 Hyper-V with Linux to Replace Dual Booting?:
IMO what @dafyre said is accurate. I have tried a bunch of different ways to game on windows while keeping Linux accessible and the only way it ever works right in my experience is to install windows and run linux in a VM. I always run into problems trying to do it any other way.
But what about with Hyper-V? Have you tried this?
Hyper-V won't get you the hardware support you need for Cinnamon, as far as I know.
The RemoteFX stuff only works via RDP and when set up as part of a RDSH infrastructure.
Don't want RemoteFX, I still just want the local console. But yeah, I fear that there will be no GPU support for the secondary VMs (not Dom0).
VirtualBox will likely be your better choice here, then.
Ugh, I've done that but I don't like it. I'd probably rather dual boot and just suck it up. I was planning to dual boot all along, but was just hoping for a better option. Since I'm 100% Linux now, it's not that big of a deal. I've not used Windows in eight months, so I'll just continue to not have it.
You are using other devices to play games, right?
yes, but I don't want to not have game options on this one too, especially as it will be slightly more powerful than my current game system (same laptop, but with 2GB less on the GPU.)
Your alternative is to use Mate or LXDE or XFCE... Those don't require hardware acceleration but still give you a nice looking UI (I like Mate, lol)... and you don't have to Dual boot...
Otherwise, I'd suggest dual booting if you want to play games.
Yeah, I use those for remote installs where the machine is used as a terminal server in a VM. I don't want that for my in front of me laptop, though.
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@travisdh1 said in Anyone Using Windows 10 Hyper-V with Linux to Replace Dual Booting?:
If you really want to get this done in a way that we know works, XenServer. I haven't tried this myself yet, haven't wanted to risk taking the beast at home down for days messing with it, but I have seriously considered installing it to run two gaming instances on a single box. Don't think the R9 290 will handle more than two gaming sessions at once.
The trouble he'll have with that is he won't be able to access the VM console from XS console on the laptop. He'd need a separate system.
So it defeats the point.
Now @scottalanmiller you could install a linux desktop on the laptop, install xen, and get full GPU passthrough with a dedicate thread to the VM's.
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@travisdh1 said in Anyone Using Windows 10 Hyper-V with Linux to Replace Dual Booting?:
If you really want to get this done in a way that we know works, XenServer. I haven't tried this myself yet, haven't wanted to risk taking the beast at home down for days messing with it, but I have seriously considered installing it to run two gaming instances on a single box. Don't think the R9 290 will handle more than two gaming sessions at once.
I've never attempted XenServer in this manner. They have it now that you can get a local console to VMs that will look and feel like a local install and more than one can get GPU resources?
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@scottalanmiller said in Anyone Using Windows 10 Hyper-V with Linux to Replace Dual Booting?:
@travisdh1 said in Anyone Using Windows 10 Hyper-V with Linux to Replace Dual Booting?:
If you really want to get this done in a way that we know works, XenServer. I haven't tried this myself yet, haven't wanted to risk taking the beast at home down for days messing with it, but I have seriously considered installing it to run two gaming instances on a single box. Don't think the R9 290 will handle more than two gaming sessions at once.
I've never attempted XenServer in this manner. They have it now that you can get a local console to VMs that will look and feel like a local install and more than one can get GPU resources?
I honestly don't believe you can get a VM console from the XS console.
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I"m doing it with VM Fusion on a 2015 Mac book pro. It is an i7 with 16GB ram, so should be about the same. I have OSX, Windows 7, and Mint running full time and have no performance issues. I give my VM's 2 CPU and 4GB of RAM each. Then I just have them full screened in their own desktops. I can use a desktop switch gestures or hotkeys to swap OS's. If you setup file shares on your base OS and map your user space on your VM OS's there you can swap OS with a finger swipe and still have the same files and structure.
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@DustinB3403 You can, but it involves installing a full GUI and what-not onto the XS.
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@scottalanmiller said in Anyone Using Windows 10 Hyper-V with Linux to Replace Dual Booting?:
@travisdh1 said in Anyone Using Windows 10 Hyper-V with Linux to Replace Dual Booting?:
If you really want to get this done in a way that we know works, XenServer. I haven't tried this myself yet, haven't wanted to risk taking the beast at home down for days messing with it, but I have seriously considered installing it to run two gaming instances on a single box. Don't think the R9 290 will handle more than two gaming sessions at once.
I've never attempted XenServer in this manner. They have it now that you can get a local console to VMs that will look and feel like a local install and more than one can get GPU resources?
I haven't actually looked into how it's done yet (part of what would take so long). From what I know @dafyre is correct that you'd need to get a gui installed on DomO. Makes me want to experiment with XS7 and a USB stick.
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My laptop is running Fedora and KVM. I use Virt-Manager to manage them and then the remote desktop application for a spice connection to the VMs.
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Also, I thought you tried Hyper-V like last year for this and found that Virtual Box was faster?
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@scottalanmiller said in Anyone Using Windows 10 Hyper-V with Linux to Replace Dual Booting?:
I've got a new laptop coming in a week or two with a lot more power than my current one (the current HP Folio 13 has been an awesome workhorse since I started travelling with it in early 2012, but 4.5 years for a super light laptop is just too much given the heavy use that I have and the heavy abuse that it has taken - keyboard is failing and the touchpad is flaky now, some piece under it is broken) so I am moving from 4GB to 16GB and a dual core i5 to a quad core i7 and a discrete NVidia GPU 960M with 4GB of its own in the new machine.
I want Linux to be my daily driver but I would prefer not to have to give up Windows 10 100% to do it. I like being able to access both quickly. I've used Hyper-V in other places but never to run Windows 10 and Linux Mint side by side. Does anyone know how well this will work? What kind of performance loss am I likely to experience doing this? Will the Linux VM be able to run full screen and feel like a local install? Will the Linux VM get access to the GPU so that it can do hardware rending for everything?
Guess what, I'm doing this. Switched from the internal Hyper-V viewer to X11-forward and xrdp for desktops, it's just way, way faster. For headless installs, well, it's just SSH.
If you want something with 3D acceleration and so on, you should better use VirtualBox.
