Common Core haters
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@coliver said:
Is there evidence that a private school education is better then a public one? Everything I've read, although not much, has pointed to it being the same or worse.
The school I attended vs. the shitty, redneck soaked public schools where I lived? No f[moderated]ing contest. Like I said, my mom worked for the public schools and knew they were shite. YMMV, but it's likely any public school is far less concerned with providing a good education than a private, college preparatory school. Where I went had a 100% acceptance rate into college, including a substantial percentage of pre law and pre med students. The year I graduated, valedictorian was decided by 6 or 7 decimal places (as in 99.99999x%). Basically everyone took AP classes and were exempt from many freshman level 101 courses in college. I placed into junior (300 level) spanish my freshman year of college.
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@RojoLoco Sounds like the school I officially graduated from. Even today an A doesn't start till 95%, and I struggled to maintain a B average. Once I hit college classes were a joke at best in comparison.
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@RojoLoco said:
@coliver said:
Is there evidence that a private school education is better then a public one? Everything I've read, although not much, has pointed to it being the same or worse.
The school I attended vs. the shitty, redneck soaked public schools where I lived? No f[moderated]ing contest. Like I said, my mom worked for the public schools and knew they were shite. YMMV, but it's likely any public school is far less concerned with providing a good education than a private, college preparatory school. Where I went had a 100% acceptance rate into college, including a substantial percentage of pre law and pre med students. The year I graduated, valedictorian was decided by 6 or 7 decimal places (as in 99.99999x%). Basically everyone took AP classes and were exempt from many freshman level 101 courses in college. I placed into junior (300 level) spanish my freshman year of college.
My school was ranked third in the state (and NY was second in the nation). Our education for the public school was outstanding.
And we sent something like six to college.
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@travisdh1 said:
@RojoLoco Sounds like the school I officially graduated from. Even today an A doesn't start till 95%, and I struggled to maintain a B average. Once I hit college classes were a joke at best in comparison.
We had a local school that used a fake 5.0 scale so that they would have like everyone graduate with crazy grades. It shows how uneducated the teachers were that they didn't notice that 120% wasn't a possible grade.
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@scottalanmiller Just remember, "best school in GA" is still the "shiniest turd" award. And our school wasn't even necessarily the best....
As far as college acceptance, I was told my senior year that they would forge my signature on an application to GA Southern (any butt-f@cking retard can get in there if you live in GA), so they could keep that 100% rate.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@travisdh1 said:
@RojoLoco Sounds like the school I officially graduated from. Even today an A doesn't start till 95%, and I struggled to maintain a B average. Once I hit college classes were a joke at best in comparison.
We had a local school that used a fake 5.0 scale so that they would have like everyone graduate with crazy grades. It shows how uneducated the teachers were that they didn't notice that 120% wasn't a possible grade.
Hey, I could've maintained a 4.5 GPA in high school!
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@travisdh1 said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@travisdh1 said:
@RojoLoco Sounds like the school I officially graduated from. Even today an A doesn't start till 95%, and I struggled to maintain a B average. Once I hit college classes were a joke at best in comparison.
We had a local school that used a fake 5.0 scale so that they would have like everyone graduate with crazy grades. It shows how uneducated the teachers were that they didn't notice that 120% wasn't a possible grade.
Hey, I could've maintained a 4.5 GPA in high school!
I had friends who did... and BRAGGED about it. Like...seriously? But it works, it got them into Ivy League schools based on a falsified grade.
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@travisdh1 said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@travisdh1 said:
@RojoLoco Sounds like the school I officially graduated from. Even today an A doesn't start till 95%, and I struggled to maintain a B average. Once I hit college classes were a joke at best in comparison.
We had a local school that used a fake 5.0 scale so that they would have like everyone graduate with crazy grades. It shows how uneducated the teachers were that they didn't notice that 120% wasn't a possible grade.
Hey, I could've maintained a 4.5 GPA in high school!
We had many students with legit 4+ GPAs (AP classes count as a 5 if you get an A). If those 5s weren't based on getting good grades in an AP class, then they are worthless.
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@RojoLoco said:
@scottalanmiller Just remember, "best school in GA" is still the "shiniest turd" award. And our school wasn't even necessarily the best....
As far as college acceptance, I was told my senior year that they would forge my signature on an application to GA Southern (any butt-f@cking retard can get in there if you live in GA), so they could keep that 100% rate.
Since NY colleges accept everyone (to ensure high schools don't hold people back) acceptance rates were never stated up north. Everyone who wants college goes to college, its a meaningless thing to say. There isn't even any acceptance process to some SUNY school, you just fill out the form and go.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@wirestyle22 said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@wirestyle22 said:
@scottalanmiller said:
And for many, I think just working makes more sense. How many people who, for example, work at the front desk of a hotel as an adult (I did this, I think it's a decent job) would have benefited by starting in that career or one related to it at 14 and getting experience and money when they were younger and contributing to a skill that they could use later in life. They could be fully trained and experienced and ready to be fully qualified adult workers by 16 or 17 and have a long career with a vastly higher lifetime income than the current system which encourages then to not start that career until they have a college degree of worthless information at keeps them out of the workforce until they are 22. That's eight years of making money traded in and four years of losing money. That's huge.
I think we should be teaching social interaction in school a lot more as well. That benefits you in basically every field (and in life) unless you're coding in a room alone. I see adults every day that have no social skills.
Yes, the current school system actively teaches the worst interactions. Paul Graham has a great essay on it in "Hackers and Painters" where he talks about how the school system treats students akin to criminals. They are detained in a thirteen year sentence for something that they did not do and thrown into a social system with guards that often abuse them or don't care for them and fellow inmates with no adult social skills and it becomes Lord of the Flies. Kids don't learn how to behave as adults, they learn how to behave as inmates.
I'd laugh if it weren't so sad and true
It's very true. And now the guards are armed and the safety is terrible (not because the guards are armed.) School is a scary place.
My highschool was just torn down recently... but the year after I graduated, armed guards & metal detectors at the door, and bars on the windows...
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@RojoLoco said:
@travisdh1 said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@travisdh1 said:
@RojoLoco Sounds like the school I officially graduated from. Even today an A doesn't start till 95%, and I struggled to maintain a B average. Once I hit college classes were a joke at best in comparison.
We had a local school that used a fake 5.0 scale so that they would have like everyone graduate with crazy grades. It shows how uneducated the teachers were that they didn't notice that 120% wasn't a possible grade.
Hey, I could've maintained a 4.5 GPA in high school!
We had many students with legit 4+ GPAs (AP classes count as a 5 if you get an A). If those 5s weren't based on getting good grades in an AP class, then they are worthless.
AP classes are not legitimately over 4.0. Nothing is. If a school has ANYTHING over a 4.0, they aren't on a 4.0 scale. There is no such thing as a legit 4.1. Just like you can't actually give 110%.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@RojoLoco said:
@scottalanmiller Just remember, "best school in GA" is still the "shiniest turd" award. And our school wasn't even necessarily the best....
As far as college acceptance, I was told my senior year that they would forge my signature on an application to GA Southern (any butt-f@cking retard can get in there if you live in GA), so they could keep that 100% rate.
Since NY colleges accept everyone (to ensure high schools don't hold people back) acceptance rates were never stated up north. Everyone who wants college goes to college, its a meaningless thing to say. There isn't even any acceptance process to some SUNY school, you just fill out the form and go.
Pretty much. If you are local to a SUNY college you are automatically accepted. They are considered community colleges for those areas. Not that I am complaining I went to a SUNY college and got a mediocre education.
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AP classes are not the hardest classes. I didn't do any AP in school because my university already told me it would not accept them and that they were pointless so not to bother. Back home they do a lot of college work at colleges instead of AP classes, it's the next step past AP. But it still can't take you over a 4.0.
If you get a 4.5 on a 5.0 scale, it just means that you actually got a 3.7 or something like that on a real 4.0 scale.
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One of my best decisions, kind of I still went to college, was doing college courses at the local SUNY school prior to graduating high school. The high school subsidized the credits and I was able to graduate from college a year early.
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@scottalanmiller said:
AP classes are not the hardest classes. I didn't do any AP in school because my university already told me it would not accept them and that they were pointless so not to bother. Back home they do a lot of college work at colleges instead of AP classes, it's the next step past AP. But it still can't take you over a 4.0.
If you get a 4.5 on a 5.0 scale, it just means that you actually got a 3.7 or something like that on a real 4.0 scale.
AP classes don't even count unless you pass the exam (with a 3 out of 5 at least). If NY colleges accept everyone who applies but don't accept AP exam scores, I'd say they are doing things quite differently than this end of the world. AP classes are tougher, more advanced, and count heavily toward getting into good colleges.
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@coliver said:
One of my best decisions, kind of I still went to college, was doing college courses at the local SUNY school prior to graduating high school. The high school subsidized the credits and I was able to graduate from college a year early.
I would have but again... my university told me it would not count.
My whole senior year was just study hall, there were no classes for me to take.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@coliver said:
One of my best decisions, kind of I still went to college, was doing college courses at the local SUNY school prior to graduating high school. The high school subsidized the credits and I was able to graduate from college a year early.
I would have but again... my university told me it would not count.
My whole senior year was just study hall, there were no classes for me to take.
That's what mine would have been. If it wasn't for the ridiculous gym requirement I would have been able to graduate my junior year.
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@RojoLoco said:
@scottalanmiller said:
AP classes are not the hardest classes. I didn't do any AP in school because my university already told me it would not accept them and that they were pointless so not to bother. Back home they do a lot of college work at colleges instead of AP classes, it's the next step past AP. But it still can't take you over a 4.0.
If you get a 4.5 on a 5.0 scale, it just means that you actually got a 3.7 or something like that on a real 4.0 scale.
AP classes don't even count unless you pass the exam (with a 3 out of 5 at least). If NY colleges accept everyone who applies but don't accept AP exam scores, I'd say they are doing things quite differently than this end of the world. AP classes are tougher, more advanced, and count heavily toward getting into good colleges.
I didn't go to a NY school, I went to a very high end private school out of state.
Also remember, northerners look at southern universities like northern high school. AP is the same everywhere. So what is seen as a hard class in the south would be seen as normal in the north. I know nothing about GA schools, but TX universities are completely a joke up north. You literally do more work in high school without AP classes. So a class that gets you out of a college class down south would not necessarily get you out of one up north.
That said, AP classes do count for entry level classes at nearly all schools in the north. But remember SUNY coursework itself, SUNY is a New Ivy, would not be accepted at my college. Not even at reduced credit, not even with a 4.0.
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@wirestyle22 said:
We also have people in administration double dipping. They retire from one school and get a similar job working at another school collecting a salary and their pension from their last job. This is preventing the younger generation from taking that job and completely halts our professional progress.
Hopefully that means those younger people are going out and getting better different jobs and not just wallowing in the mudd.
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@scottalanmiller Our graduates attended colleges all over the country, all of which accepted AP class credits (yup, even real Ivy league schools).
