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    • IRJI
      IRJ
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      I am hoping he sees this thread and contacts me so we can fix everything. I will keep him anonymous for a few days.

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      • S
        StorageNinja Vendor
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        https://creativemornings.com/talks/mike-monteiro--2/1

        This video is something you should watch.

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        • IRJI
          IRJ
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          I guess I should have forced him to use Paypal. I would have had a much easier time getting my money back.

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          • IRJI
            IRJ
            last edited by

            I still haven't heard anything from him and he has been online several times since I posted this. 😮

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            • JaredBuschJ
              JaredBusch
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              Whoever this is, better wake up, because this is a god way to never get any work ever again.

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              • bbigfordB
                bbigford
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                Don't look at it like the job is incomplete.. Look at it like you got some or most of the job done for $150. Just cut him loose and pay someone else to finish it. You don't have to have someone necessarily redo everything in the project.

                Side note, I never charge or pay up front. That entails someone wants commitment or they are desperate. In my experience they are 50/50 but it's just bad taste. If it is a project that will take months, I charge for milestones. Short jobs are pay with an ending invoice. Everything is in writing so you are gonna get sued if you try to dine and dash.

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                • scottalanmillerS
                  scottalanmiller @bbigford
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                  @BBigford said:

                  Don't look at it like the job is incomplete.. Look at it like you got some or most of the job done for $150. Just cut him loose and pay someone else to finish it. You don't have to have someone necessarily redo everything in the project.

                  That doesn't work for all job types. Some things can easily be handed over. Others, not so much.

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                  • IRJI
                    IRJ @bbigford
                    last edited by

                    @BBigford said:

                    Don't look at it like the job is incomplete.. Look at it like you got some or most of the job done for $150. Just cut him loose and pay someone else to finish it. You don't have to have someone necessarily redo everything in the project.

                    Side note, I never charge or pay up front. That entails someone wants commitment or they are desperate. In my experience they are 50/50 but it's just bad taste. If it is a project that will take months, I charge for milestones. Short jobs are pay with an ending invoice. Everything is in writing so you are gonna get sued if you try to dine and dash.

                    In reality I got nothing, and like scott said in this particular instance you need the original author to follow through on the process to make it work. Web design is mostly creativity and seeing things all the way to the end.

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                    • scottalanmillerS
                      scottalanmiller
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                      And how is the "volume" of creative work defined? Perhaps 99% of the work is in coming up with the idea. What if you pay someone to say write a song, or paint a chapel and they don't do a single thing but when it comes time to argue about what percentage to pay they say "well I came up with the song, I just didn't write it down, so I did 99% of the work, I need 99% of the money."

                      There is no way to realistically measure how much work is done. The amount of work done on one side might easily be over 100% of the "anticipated" original work while the work turned over is equivalent of zero. Which side's percentage do you use?

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                      • IRJI
                        IRJ @scottalanmiller
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                        @scottalanmiller said:

                        And how is the "volume" of creative work defined? Perhaps 99% of the work is in coming up with the idea. What if you pay someone to say write a song, or paint a chapel and they don't do a single thing but when it comes time to argue about what percentage to pay they say "well I came up with the song, I just didn't write it down, so I did 99% of the work, I need 99% of the money."

                        There is no way to realistically measure how much work is done. The amount of work done on one side might easily be over 100% of the "anticipated" original work while the work turned over is equivalent of zero. Which side's percentage do you use?

                        If you are going to commission art, you come up with the idea but never paint the painting. I would call that zero real gain because you have nothing in hand.

                        Even if you go to another artist, he is going to interpret what you want in a different way.

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                        • scottalanmillerS
                          scottalanmiller @IRJ
                          last edited by

                          @IRJ said:

                          If you are going to commission art, you come up with the idea but never paint the painting. I would call that zero real gain because you have nothing in hand.

                          But some would argue that nearly all of the work was completed. It's a dangerous thing when not delivering the product counts as partial effort.

                          We just had a huge thread about that topic, too.

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                          • IRJI
                            IRJ @scottalanmiller
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                            @scottalanmiller said:

                            @IRJ said:

                            If you are going to commission art, you come up with the idea but never paint the painting. I would call that zero real gain because you have nothing in hand.

                            But some would argue that nearly all of the work was completed. It's a dangerous thing when not delivering the product counts as partial effort.

                            We just had a huge thread about that topic, too.

                            Do you believe I received anything of value? I sure as hell don't

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                            • scottalanmillerS
                              scottalanmiller @IRJ
                              last edited by

                              @IRJ said:

                              Do you believe I received anything of value? I sure as hell don't

                              I don't know if you received anything at all 🙂

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                              • J
                                Jason Banned
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                                Seems like you might as well call them out.. Epically since we know it's web design it narrows it down two 3 or 4 users on here and will make the others look bad until the one is called out!

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                                • bbigfordB
                                  bbigford @scottalanmiller
                                  last edited by

                                  @scottalanmiller said:

                                  @BBigford said:

                                  Don't look at it like the job is incomplete.. Look at it like you got some or most of the job done for $150. Just cut him loose and pay someone else to finish it. You don't have to have someone necessarily redo everything in the project.

                                  That doesn't work for all job types. Some things can easily be handed over. Others, not so much.

                                  Trying to look at the bright side, but you are right.

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                                  • S
                                    StorageNinja Vendor @IRJ
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                                    @IRJ Your funny 🙂

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                                    • IRJI
                                      IRJ
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                                      Well I redid the homepage myself, added a recent posts popup on the bottom, added reactions to each post, and removed all recent posts from the sidebar. I have a plan on the side bar, but the plugin I am working with is a little complicated so I want to get it down right.

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                                      • IRJI
                                        IRJ @StorageNinja
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                                        @John-Nicholson said:

                                        @IRJ Your funny 🙂

                                        I am not sure what is funny about this situation? Can you enlighten me?

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                                        • IRJI
                                          IRJ
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                                          Here is the homepage:

                                          pushingwake.com

                                          Here is an example of a post:

                                          pushingwake.com/2016/03/april-2016-bass-tournament/

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                                          • S
                                            StorageNinja Vendor @IRJ
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                                            @IRJ PayPal are space pirates on getting money back. Beyond that assuming he does what I do (link it to a checking account that is kept at zero $ and is a clearing account) you can't claw back anything even if they try (My bank will bounce the request). Escrow fights are just not worth the time for $150.

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