Windows Phone 10 release

Dashrender

Frankly I'm pissed that the carriers have this type of lock-in/lockdown. My land based ISP can't dictate what OS updates I get or OS I have on my computer to connect to the connection they provide me - why should the cellular carriers have this ability?

Sure, tell me you won't provide support for my XYZ OS, but don't actively get in my way and prevent me from using it myself.

nadnerB

@Dashrender said:

Frankly I'm pissed that the carriers have this type of lock-in/lockdown. My land based ISP can't dictate what OS updates I get or OS I have on my computer to connect to the connection they provide me - why should the cellular carriers have this ability?

Sure, tell me you won't provide support for my XYZ OS, but don't actively get in my way and prevent me from using it myself.

Could you do the Windows Insider thing?

Dashrender

@nadnerB said:

@Dashrender said:

Frankly I'm pissed that the carriers have this type of lock-in/lockdown. My land based ISP can't dictate what OS updates I get or OS I have on my computer to connect to the connection they provide me - why should the cellular carriers have this ability?

Sure, tell me you won't provide support for my XYZ OS, but don't actively get in my way and prevent me from using it myself.

Could you do the Windows Insider thing?

Sure, but that's not the point.

I guess I would love to see the carriers themselves get out of the hand set selling business. Europe doesn't seem to have this problem where the carriers need to get in the way of device working, so why do they need to here?

Most if not all phones in Europe come unlocked. Sure you pay for them upfront (as many plans here now allow) and you pay for what you really want from the carrier - access. Access to the voice/SMS network, Access to the data network.

Leave selling/supporting phones to the likes of Best Buy, etc.

hell - it'd be awesome to see phones change to VOIP solutions completely. get rid of the whole Voice/SMS/MMS channels and do everything over the data channel - I think that's how the new Google Fi system works.

JaredBusch

@Dashrender said:

I guess I would love to see the carriers themselves get out of the hand set selling business. Europe doesn't seem to have this problem where the carriers need to get in the way of device working, so why do they need to here?

Profits

Dashrender

@JaredBusch said:

@Dashrender said:

I guess I would love to see the carriers themselves get out of the hand set selling business. Europe doesn't seem to have this problem where the carriers need to get in the way of device working, so why do they need to here?

Profits

You forgot steps 1 and 2

JaredBusch

@Dashrender said:

@JaredBusch said:

@Dashrender said:

I guess I would love to see the carriers themselves get out of the hand set selling business. Europe doesn't seem to have this problem where the carriers need to get in the way of device working, so why do they need to here?

Profits

You forgot steps 1 and 2

So did the carriers.

Dashrender

You missed the South Park underpants gnomes joke.

scottalanmiller

@JaredBusch said:

@Dashrender said:

I guess I would love to see the carriers themselves get out of the hand set selling business. Europe doesn't seem to have this problem where the carriers need to get in the way of device working, so why do they need to here?

Profits

And lack of regulations. European laws are what stop the carriers there from doing it, not a lack of desiring profits. EU protections go a long way here, ISP oversight is a major thing.

nadnerB

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/03/18/w10m_deprecated_features/
Full list referred to in ^ https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/Windows-10-specifications#featdeprphone
(You have to select 'mobile'... GG MS)

stacksofplates

@nadnerB said:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/03/18/w10m_deprecated_features/
Full list referred to in ^ https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/Windows-10-specifications#featdeprphone
(You have to select 'mobile'... GG MS)

For consumers, the obvious social networks integration is the most obvious missing feature. Notifications won’t work on contact tiles, and Cortana is only half finished – it doesn’t (in its current state) search the device any longer. Just the web and the cloud.

So it's taken this long and that's still not finished? What are they doing?

nadnerB

@johnhooks said:

@nadnerB said:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/03/18/w10m_deprecated_features/
Full list referred to in ^ https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/Windows-10-specifications#featdeprphone
(You have to select 'mobile'... GG MS)

For consumers, the obvious social networks integration is the most obvious missing feature. Notifications won’t work on contact tiles, and Cortana is only half finished – it doesn’t (in its current state) search the device any longer. Just the web and the cloud.

So it's taken this long and that's still not finished? What are they doing?

Looking at that list, I think they may have given the Pirate Order a while ago.

stacksofplates

"Maps is better", "email is a little faster", and "Edge is (usually) faster."

Wow. Great job, no one cares about two out of the three things that they've improved ( I guess you are forced to care about Bing maps since you can't use Google Maps).

While everyone else is implementing monthly security updates, fingerprint scanners, and even infrared cameras, Microsoft has made your email a tiny bit faster.

nadnerB

@johnhooks said:

"Maps is better", "email is a little faster", and "Edge is (usually) faster."

Wow. Great job, no one cares about two out of the three things that they've improved ( I guess you are forced to care about Bing maps since you can't use Google Maps).

I really liked HERE Maps and I am very much disappointed that it's not supported in Windows 10 (all versions). I guess I'll have to look at Microsoft/Bing Maps

nadnerB

@johnhooks said:

While everyone else is implementing monthly security updates, fingerprint scanners, and even infrared cameras, Microsoft has made your email a tiny bit faster.

If your email downloads correctly in the first place. I've had some issues getting email to download correctly. Not constantly but enough to be irritating.

I was hoping that this would be fixed.

stacksofplates

@nadnerB said:

@johnhooks said:

"Maps is better", "email is a little faster", and "Edge is (usually) faster."

Wow. Great job, no one cares about two out of the three things that they've improved ( I guess you are forced to care about Bing maps since you can't use Google Maps).

I really liked HERE Maps and I am very much disappointed that it's not supported in Windows 10 (all versions). I guess I'll have to look at Microsoft/Bing Maps

I forgot about HERE Maps. Why would they remove support for that? The Nokia stuff was the only real apps that worked.

nadnerB

@johnhooks said:

@nadnerB said:

@johnhooks said:

"Maps is better", "email is a little faster", and "Edge is (usually) faster."

Wow. Great job, no one cares about two out of the three things that they've improved ( I guess you are forced to care about Bing maps since you can't use Google Maps).

I really liked HERE Maps and I am very much disappointed that it's not supported in Windows 10 (all versions). I guess I'll have to look at Microsoft/Bing Maps

I forgot about HERE Maps. Why would they remove support for that? The Nokia stuff was the only real apps that worked.

They are using a work around that will no longer be supported after a specific date in June.
An entire rewrite is required for continued support

nadnerB

Ah,
So, 30 June 2016 mean No more Here Maps
Satay sauce: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/03/15/here_mappers_dump_windows_10_users/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=gplus

scottalanmiller

@nadnerB said:

Ah,
So, 30 June 2016 mean No more Here Maps
Stay sauce: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/03/15/here_mappers_dump_windows_10_users/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=gplus

So much for that "universal apps" idea of Windows 10. Clearly it is "universally runs nowhere."

Dashrender

@scottalanmiller said:

@nadnerB said:

Ah,
So, 30 June 2016 mean No more Here Maps
Stay sauce: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/03/15/here_mappers_dump_windows_10_users/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=gplus

So much for that "universal apps" idea of Windows 10. Clearly it is "universally runs nowhere."

This is a point that you and I went round and round on. MS I don't think ever intended universal apps to be what you call call universal. They intended them to be runable from any place Windows 10 happens to be.

scottalanmiller

@Dashrender said:

@scottalanmiller said:

@nadnerB said:

Ah,
So, 30 June 2016 mean No more Here Maps
Stay sauce: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/03/15/here_mappers_dump_windows_10_users/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=gplus

So much for that "universal apps" idea of Windows 10. Clearly it is "universally runs nowhere."

This is a point that you and I went round and round on. MS I don't think ever intended universal apps to be what you call call universal. They intended them to be runable from any place Windows 10 happens to be.

Eliminating all apps would make that an easier goal.