Ubiquiti Switches
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@Dashrender said:
So other than Linksys - what other gear specifically are you calling hobby gear from Cisco?
Anything under $3K pretty much. And why do you require more as if several lines of gear aren't enough?
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And don't forget the Meraki line. It's not hobby, it's solid SMB, but it isn't on par with Ubiquiti which leaves Cisco, again, in the "it's not bad, it just fails to be good enough to ever discuss" category.
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When I was setting up a new building I wanted to purchase new Ubiquiti switches (non-cloud) and we needed POE ports for phones. they ended up purchasing a shitty Cisco switch that was under $500. Of course when they fail I'll be blamed.
Nihilism is the only thing making my job bearable right now
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@scottalanmiller said:
And don't forget the Meraki line. It's not hobby, it's solid SMB, but it isn't on par with Ubiquiti which leaves Cisco, again, in the "it's not bad, it just fails to be good enough to ever discuss" category.
I scoffed a bit at this... Having used Meraki and moved to a Ubiquiti router in the past this is just silly to say they are on par. Ubiquiti blew the Meraki out of the water in performance and usability.
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@coliver said:
@scottalanmiller said:
And don't forget the Meraki line. It's not hobby, it's solid SMB, but it isn't on par with Ubiquiti which leaves Cisco, again, in the "it's not bad, it just fails to be good enough to ever discuss" category.
I scoffed a bit at this... Having used Meraki and moved to a Ubiquiti router in the past this is just silly to say they are on par. Ubiquiti blew the Meraki out of the water in performance and usability.
Thats what SAM said? That it isn't on par..?
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@NattNatt Oh... man I ... a word when I read his remark. Sorry.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Dashrender said:
So other than Linksys - what other gear specifically are you calling hobby gear from Cisco?
Anything under $3K pretty much. And why do you require more as if several lines of gear aren't enough?
I guess I missed Sipura - and I've never heard of it. Where was it sold?
As for Linksys, they got rid of it remember, so it no longer counts on this list.
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@coliver said:
@scottalanmiller said:
And don't forget the Meraki line. It's not hobby, it's solid SMB, but it isn't on par with Ubiquiti which leaves Cisco, again, in the "it's not bad, it just fails to be good enough to ever discuss" category.
I scoffed a bit at this... Having used Meraki and moved to a Ubiquiti router in the past this is just silly to say they are on par. Ubiquiti blew the Meraki out of the water in performance and usability.
REALLY??? Usability? how so?
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@Dashrender said:
@coliver said:
@scottalanmiller said:
And don't forget the Meraki line. It's not hobby, it's solid SMB, but it isn't on par with Ubiquiti which leaves Cisco, again, in the "it's not bad, it just fails to be good enough to ever discuss" category.
I scoffed a bit at this... Having used Meraki and moved to a Ubiquiti router in the past this is just silly to say they are on par. Ubiquiti blew the Meraki out of the water in performance and usability.
REALLY??? Usability? how so?
Meraki dumbs everything down and hides a lot of feature they don't think you need access to. It is also nearly impossible to get any stats off the unit itself. Usage and memory are hidden and you need to contact support to see if you are overloading the unit. Most of the time it isn't a big deal but sometimes you really need those stats to troubleshoot a different issue.
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@Dashrender said:
I guess I missed Sipura - and I've never heard of it. Where was it sold?
Sipura was bought by Linksys and bought by Cisco as part of the Linksys purchase. Cisco put their Cisco brand on that stuff too. It all became Cisco.
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@Dashrender said:
As for Linksys, they got rid of it remember, so it no longer counts on this list.
That would be a marketing line. Cisco did buy and sell Linksys as an operating division, yes. That is irrelevant in the situation. Linksys was not kept as a product line while in Cisco, Cisco was all one thing. Cisco used the Linksys purchase to become a low end hobbyist company (additionally to other things.) That didn't change with the sell off. Linksys inspired gear is still in the lineup. Cisco changed who they were, selling the Linksys manufacturing division to Belkin did not change that.
Cisco's quality and level is defined by what they put their brand on. They put it on Linksys, they put it on Sipura, they put it on crap hobby gear and they continue to sell Cisco-brand products that come from the Linksys world, that Cisco apparently makes now.
This is not like IBM allowing Lenovo to brand their gear for a period of time while continuing to use IBM designs. This is gear made under Cisco auspices for Cisco (likely by Cisco themselves) that represents what the company engineers.
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@coliver said:
@Dashrender said:
@coliver said:
@scottalanmiller said:
And don't forget the Meraki line. It's not hobby, it's solid SMB, but it isn't on par with Ubiquiti which leaves Cisco, again, in the "it's not bad, it just fails to be good enough to ever discuss" category.
I scoffed a bit at this... Having used Meraki and moved to a Ubiquiti router in the past this is just silly to say they are on par. Ubiquiti blew the Meraki out of the water in performance and usability.
REALLY??? Usability? how so?
Meraki dumbs everything down and hides a lot of feature they don't think you need access to. It is also nearly impossible to get any stats off the unit itself. Usage and memory are hidden and you need to contact support to see if you are overloading the unit. Most of the time it isn't a big deal but sometimes you really need those stats to troubleshoot a different issue.
And given how underbuilt Cisco equipment tends to be, overloading a Meraki is surprisingly easy to do.
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@Breffni-Potter said:
About to buy Ubiquiti switches to replace layer 3 HP 10/100s.
Probably 3 devices, 2 in the main building, 3rd in the second building over Fibre. 70-80 network points in total.
Going to be fun
Let's hope I don't regret the purchase.Out interest, what has attracted you to Ubiquiti? What's HP not giving you? Or for a small network like yours, why not go for, say, Netgear - cheap as chips and available everywhere? Why go for something that is relatively rare in the UK?
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@Carnival-Boy said:
@Breffni-Potter said:
About to buy Ubiquiti switches to replace layer 3 HP 10/100s.
Probably 3 devices, 2 in the main building, 3rd in the second building over Fibre. 70-80 network points in total.
Going to be fun
Let's hope I don't regret the purchase.Out interest, what has attracted you to Ubiquiti? What's HP not giving you? Or for a small network like yours, why not go for, say, Netgear - cheap as chips and available everywhere? Why go for something that is relatively rare in the UK?
Probably for all the reasons listed in the thread above - cheaper, better support, better features to list a few
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This same site had HP access points, Terrible, constantly breaking down, annoying to maintain.
Now Ubiquiti, I never hear complaints, performance is great and managing them is simple.
So I am hoping to try the switches too.
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Well, if HP make great switches but terrible APs and Ubiquiti make great APs, maybe their switches aren't so great?
I guess that with a switch, reliability is everything, as in a small site you're unlikely to manage them much. Plug them in and forget about them for 10 years. That's what I've done with my Netgear switches - I never touch them (but then I'm not a networking guy).
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But if Ubiquiti make great switches & APs, why not do both @Carnival-Boy ?
The HP switches are "Ok" they are not bad or good. They just work. So this is a tester but if they do everything needed, why not.
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@Carnival-Boy said:
Well, if HP make great switches but terrible APs and Ubiquiti make great APs, maybe their switches aren't so great?
It's a risk, of course, but just because HP has a consistency problem does not suggest that Ubiquiti does. Can't hold HP's failings against UBNT.
We have UBNT switches, APs, and routers and not one issue yet. We've also used Netgear a lot and love them too.
no-ones perfect 
